Intergenerational Living: Bridging the Gap

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But I think I always think back to what a foster

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grandparent told me once.

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And it was care where you are.

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Your biological grandchildren or grandparents

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may not be next door to you.

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But I'll bet in your neighborhood there's a child,

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there's an older person, and you can care where you are.

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There's an aging part of our population is aging.

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And they don't have children.

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They didn't have children.

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And having children doesn't make it a guarantee

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that they're going to take care of you.

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So who's going to care for us?

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And it's the responsibility we all share.

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In our communities that's there for them.

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And that's what we can all do.

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And now the podcast we're together,

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we discuss proactive aging on your terms,

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connecting to the professional advice of our special guests

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while creating better days throughout the aging process.

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Now here's your host, Mark Turnbull.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another lively discussion

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on aging today.

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exploring the many options to aging on your terms.

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That's agingtoday.us.

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And I just want to say thank you to all of you

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for joining in on our conversation today.

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And we do have a lively conversation,

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another one that comes out every Monday.

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And this is one that I know you will all enjoy.

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Well, one of the things that many of you know,

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and if you don't know, that by the year 2030,

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the percentage of adults age 65 and children

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under the age of 18 will be about the same.

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That's kind of interesting.

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It's an interesting stat.

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And so my question is, what does that mean to us?

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And then why should we be concerned?

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And then what's going to be the impact on our lives?

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Well, one of the things that we all are interested in,

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and that is healthy living and longevity to our lives,

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and there's impacts on longevity and healthy impacts.

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And what we're noticing is that there's

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an alarming rate of seniors that find themselves disconnected.

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And that will have an impact on our longevity.

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We'll have an impact on our health.

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And I can only say that we're designed to be social.

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And when we are isolated, we run the risk of loneliness,

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depression, which can then lead to increased risk of heart

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disease, stroke, dementia, anxiety, and other long-term illnesses.

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So here to talk with us through this whole topic of the strategies

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and the solutions that we all desire for adopting

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in our personal lives to help us live healthy.

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And with more longevity is Lauren Dunning and Donna Butts.

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And they are of the Milken Institute for Health.

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Welcome ladies to Aging Today.

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Hi, thank you.

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Yeah, so--

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Thank you, Mark.

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Absolutely.

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Looking forward to that.

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I'm actually with--

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I do have a disclaimer though, I'm not with the Milken Institute.

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I'm with Generation United.

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We're partners and friends and collaborators.

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OK.

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And Lauren, you're the one that's with Milken, correct?

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Yes.

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I'm Lauren Dunning.

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I'm with the Milken Institute Future of Aging.

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OK, great.

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I'm glad that we got that straightened out and up front

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so that we give the credit to the right organizations.

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So we always start out in our conversations.

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We always start out about what's in your story.

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Let's start with you, Lauren.

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What's in your story?

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What led you to being a part of the Milken Institute

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and some of the history that you've done in taking that track

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that way?

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I'll just also briefly introduce it.

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The Milken Institute's a nonprofit nonpartisan think tank

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more focused on accelerating measurable progress on the path

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to a meaningful life.

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And we believe that physical health, financial health,

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and the ability to give back are central to this progress.

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And within the Milken Institute, we

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have the future of aging where I sit.

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And we're working to advance healthy longevity

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and financial security for all.

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And we do that through research convening

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multi-sector partnerships and the elevation

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of high impact policies and practices.

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And I say this because that coming together of healthy longevity

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and financial security and looking out,

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looking towards the power of convening, leveraging our partners

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and elevating really great ideas is something

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I am passionate about.

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I'm a lawyer and I have a public health degree.

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And I previously worked in government.

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And in working in government, focused on public health

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and taking care of the health of the 10 plus million citizens

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and LA County and being a part of that endeavor really helped

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me understand what are some specific needs related

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to population aging.

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that it's not coming tomorrow.

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And people often speak of it in the same breath as climate change,

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twin megatrends, they're changing how we live,

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they're changing the makeup of our societies.

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And I really wanted to be a part of not only

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addressing some of the challenges, which there are,

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but also creating upsides, right?

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There are upsides, there's benefits, there's really exciting things

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about how do we increase our health spans, increase our well spans

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and make the most of these sort of years that we've been given.

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And so that's why I'm here doing this.

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And as Donna mentioned, we have an incredible network

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of partners that includes Donna and Generations United.

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And Donna, how about you?

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What has led you down this path and this journey

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to be where you are today?

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Well, thank you, Mark.

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It's an honor to be here today and so wonderful to be

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with Lauren who's a terrific partner.

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My path, I think it always made sense to me

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because I come from a long line of Midwest ministers

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and I grew up in Salem, Oregon.

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And one of my first jobs was directing a teen program

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at the YWCA.

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My heart was always with teenagers

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because they're probably the most difficult population

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at times to work with.

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one of the programs I inherited was called Senior Outreach.

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on ageing demonstration programs.

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And it was coming to the end of funding.

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if we don't have funding, we'll just end the program

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if we can find funding great.

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And what the program was, was it took

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high school sociology students

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and they visited low-income, isolated older adults

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who were basically by themselves

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once a week for a friendly visit program.

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And what I found, the first time I went for a visit

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were older adults that didn't get out of bed

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until the day that they knew their young friend was coming.

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And teenagers who skipped school, except for the day

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that they were gonna go see their older friend.

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They both had purpose, they both had meaning,

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they showed up for each other.

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went on to last lifetimes.

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So I just found it was such a powerful, powerful program.

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So as my career progressed through other teen work

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and youth work about 27 years ago,

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when I was poking around talking to some national leaders

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here in Washington, D.C., one of them said,

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"You know, Donna, we have this new organization

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"and you might be the right person for this job."

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And what it was was Generation United had just been formed,

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actually it had operated as a Looseningit Coalition

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founded by the National Council on Aging,

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ARP, Children's Defense Fund in the Child Welfare League

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of America.

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And they were looking for, really, their first executive director

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to either sink or swim with this organization.

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And it has been an incredible honor and thrill

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to be able to work with committed, fabulous people

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and be able to elevate intergenerational programs,

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public policies and practices that connect generations

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that value people at all ages and stages of life.

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And I think that our mission and the work of the Milken Institute

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is more critical today than ever.

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Yeah, how is the correlation between the two organizations?

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How does that work and where's the crossover

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and how you guys got all together?

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And then you're trying to solve a common problem.

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We are.

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So at the Milken Institute, we not only do our own research

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and work, but we do that by engaging experts, right?

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And so to do that, we have to have a large network of folks

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that we can partner with to share ideas,

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to help us build and generate new solutions.

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And Donna is one of those incredible, incredible people

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that we do that with.

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And to also elevate messages together,

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like we're doing here today.

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And by the way, thank you for this opportunity to share

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and to help people, your listeners learn

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more about intergenerational connection and healthy aging.

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And so, right, we do that by doing our work

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and then elevating together, partnering on ideas

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and getting great messages out there.

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So for example, I just will show them like earlier this year,

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we published Translending Age-Based Divides,

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which focuses on intergenerational connection

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and how it's an important solution

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for many areas of society where we need action.

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And then sorry, Donna, I'll just also say,

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Donna has an exciting new report that's focusing

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on intergenerational living and housing.

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And both of those sort of contain sort of complementary ideas

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and work to help keep elevating and help

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pushing forward and getting into the right hand

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so we can help decision makers, right?

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Make changes and help society reflect

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what we're all excited to see, which is more intentional ways

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that we're helping people of all ages connect with each other,

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including right, through housing and social connection

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and all different kinds of opportunities

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in our own communities and other--

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- Yeah, I'm always fascinated by all the different

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and array of organizations out there

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that are focused on some of the same things.

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And yes, we're talking about the aging complexities

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and as we're in aging culture, there's so many needs out there.

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Is the milk, is the milk and institute,

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is that a private organization or is that a governmental organization?

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How does that all fit in?

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- Absolutely, we're a private organization

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where a nonprofit organization

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and our work is focused on, right, research, convening.

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We host incredible events bringing together experts.

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Such as Donna, we got to see Donna last week

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at our future of health summit,

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where we had a conversation on health, place,

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and aging in community.

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And so that's just a brief explanation,

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Donna, I don't know if we want to say a bit more

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about generations united.

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- Well, I would just say, Mark,

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that as generation united, as I mentioned from our very beginning,

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we were formed as a collaborative

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and we really do believe that the strength is in

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when we work together, that we're really stronger

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when we work together

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and that we shouldn't compete to do good,

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that there's enough space for us.

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So a lot of our work is in collaboration

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and the sort of the analogy sometimes I use

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and being an organian, you might understand this,

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is an intergenerational can be everything or nothing.

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It's kind of a, you know, a times difficult to explain.

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So the approach that we take is we barnacle.

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We attach to issues and we attach the lens,

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the intergenerational lens and perspective

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and partner with really good people

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and really good organizations

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and look at how an intergenerational solution

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helps to address so many of the issues in our country.

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So it's really a thrill to be able to work with Milka

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and institute Lauren and her colleagues.

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- Now, the focus today in our conversation is on,

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you know, solutions for loneliness and isolation.

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And one of the tenants that you're putting forth

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is the concept of intergenerational living?

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Am I correct in that framing that our conversation today?

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- Yes, you are.

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We both in those lovely reports I just showed

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that folks can find on our respective websites.

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They both handle and discuss housing as a way

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to increase intentional intergenerational connection

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and also by having that type of proximity,

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it can support building intergenerational relationships,

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which as you mentioned, have important and unique benefits.

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And, Dawn, I know you've done lots of research

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on intergenerational connection

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and I think one of the most important pieces

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I just love to start with is that

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people want intergenerational connection.

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Eight in 10 older adults is looking to connect

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with someone from a different generation.

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And so we have to start there knowing that many people

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might not perceive or know or think

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that people really want to connect across different ages,

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but they do.

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- How did you come to that conclusion

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that intergenerational connectivity was so important

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to seniors and to our young people?

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- And to our families and to everyone in between.

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The research that we did,

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we actually did a national public opinion survey

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and asked people questions about,

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where the responses were,

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that most people wanted the opportunity

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to connect with other generations.

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They just didn't know how to do it or where to do it.

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They didn't feel like they had that avenue.

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They also thought about if they ever needed care

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or they needed to find a spot for care for their parents,

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that they wanted it to not just be single aged.

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They wanted it to be around children, youth

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and other older adults,

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that they're really very vibrant.

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So when you think about social isolation and loneliness,

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the fact is it's really our older adults

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and our younger people who feel the most isolated and lonely.

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And so when you connect the generations,

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you're really having much a multiple impact, multiple effect.

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And when you think about ageism,

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the two groups that suffer the most from ageism

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are older adults and young people.

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Young people aren't ready to be, they're waiting.

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Older adults are done and they're waiting to die.

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And neither one of those are true.

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They're vibrant.

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They have so much to contribute.

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And one of the things I was thinking about as you were describing

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that is many of our listeners may be saying,

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oh, what is intergenerational living?

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And so let's define that.

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And then we can look back on some of the solutions

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that it provides with those relationships.

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- Lauren and I might both have something to add to that definition,

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but basically with generations you might,

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there are a number of models around the country.

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And I almost always think of it kind of on a spectrum

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where it can be intentionally built housing,

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like for a multi-generational family,

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or it could be an older adult who chooses to home share

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with a student.

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It could be an intentional community like Bridge Meadows

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where adoptive and foster families live side by side

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with lower income older adults who's only job

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is to care about the families.

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It can be communities that are intentionally built

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so that the parks and the walking trails

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are good for people at all abilities and ages

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that they can all enjoy it.

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Has that community intergenerational center or space

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where they can connect?

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It has opportunities for young and old to engage,

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whether it's tutoring and schools or doing yard maintenance

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for an older adult or checking in on your friendly neighbors.

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So it's the intentionality that is really important

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and we're just seeing a tremendous surge in interest.

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It takes a while, we've made it too complex by zoning,

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by policy, things like that,

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but there are really fabulous innovators

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that are developing really, really warm

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and wonderful communities

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that help people live longer in their own homes

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and stay connected in their communities.

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So tell me how zoning and some of the other regulations

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that we have in our communities that are keeping people

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from connecting intergenerationaly?

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some really great trends that are helping people reconnect.

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So during the pandemic, we saw a rise in intergenerational living,

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more families living together.

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And right, there's some complex trends happening,

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including around housing availability and affordability

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and communities are looking for solutions.

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And one of those solutions that many cities are taking up

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are ADUs and allowing many, many different types

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of properties to have multiple buildings

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or additional units built on them.

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but also enable people to live in closer proximity

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or to have a larger unit and a smaller unit

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or to enable maybe families to live on the same property

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or people that want to rent and create their own

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intergenerational spaces either on accident or on purpose.

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And so many cities are taking that approach

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by changing zoning to enable more ADUs, right?

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And taking different approaches to helping housing arise

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that meets the needs of many different people.

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There's other examples as well that are less

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about zoning and regulation and more

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about private sector innovation.

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So for example, there's the idea of decentralized senior housing

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where there's one example of that is upside,

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which is a company that has a model that

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has rental units in buildings that are open

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and support people being there of all ages.

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But then enable older adults to live practically

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in those communities by offering the services

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that people might need as they age and might have some level

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of need such as for meal support or some level of assistance

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with ADLs.

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And that approach can also enable people

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through private sector innovation to have more proximity.

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But first, obviously the baseline is being able to have,

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right, housing that supports multifamily living

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and that's a part of that equation that you were discussing.

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And Don, I know that your recent report

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has definitely some points on this.

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of how we've made it complicated is that we have really

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age-segregated or siloed policy, funding,

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and other services, the way that we live,

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when in fact we actually live together

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and we're interdependent.

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So sometimes you'll have a funding stream

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but it will only be for senior housing.

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You can't serve anybody younger.

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Or what we saw during the pandemic, which was amazing to me,

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were even food programs like meals on wheels

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could deliver a meal to an older adult

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but not to the child standing next to them.

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And a school lunch program, an older person

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could take a child at that school for the school lunch program

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but they couldn't eat.

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So we've really segregated and we need to address that.

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And that happens locally too.

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How we give preference to where we will allow a project

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to site to be built.

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What is the square footage that's needed?

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If it's a shared site with childcare and adult day care

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center, that sort of thing.

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And then how many restrictions there

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are a lot of the campus-based programs

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are taking years to develop because they have to hash through

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both who owns the land, what the restrictions are on the land,

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and how they're going to connect.

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So it's really a matter of us, I think,

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using that intergenerational lens and enabling,

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encouraging, and allowing people to live the way

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that we should be living.

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Yeah, one of my favorite sayings is,

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when you change the way you look at things,

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the things you look at change, and essentially,

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what you were describing right there.

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And as I was listening to the two of you

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discuss what each of your agencies do and how you do it.

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And I was curious, I mean, that's a monumental task.

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We're talking 50 states across 3,000 miles.

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I mean, how is our your voices connecting

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all the pieces out there in the practical world

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and how that's trickling down in affecting change

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in the way we're approaching our seniors?

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Well, Lauren, I'll jump in first, and please.

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I mean, a part of our work at Generation United

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is we do promote program.

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We elevate programs of distinction, programs of merit.

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We set the bar for high quality intergenerational programs.

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So we build the tent that connects people

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so they don't feel like they're isolated or they're alone.

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We do a global biennial intergenerational conference,

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the largest gathering of its kind in the world.

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That's going to be in June in Louisville, Kentucky, this year.

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We have learning communities around intergenerational living

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shared sites, grandparents raising grandchildren,

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but we build those communities.

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But we also focus on policy because if we want something

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to last to get it embedded in policy or to change policy,

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really does help to support and raise awareness

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and possibility in people's eyes.

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Now, does that policy then?

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You have relationships with individual states and governments

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and the impact of your messaging is that on a federal level,

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is it on a state level?

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And then how are what we're talking about,

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these policies being instituted to affect change?

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So that's a deep question.

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That's a deep question.

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I sat on the other side previously,

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and I know that I always looked to write experts

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in the field that were working directly on specific issues

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when trying to solve an issue.

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And so looking at people's sort of working with experts,

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doing research and reflecting back,

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new thinking, elevating ideas from other places,

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so having resources that bring all that together

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and make that available can really help the job

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that folks in government who are passed with policy making,

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how they do their job.

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So it's supportive.

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It helps get information that is pretty specialized in many ways

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into the hands of people that can take action.

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And that's really what we're up to is using that research

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and convening power to elevate ideas, elevate policies

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and practices that we want to see spread,

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and also build and architect and give some prototypes

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or directions for how do you make some new things that

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might also help along the way?

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And so we do that by publishing, just like the brief,

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I showed you, we do that also by doing this.

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We do that by, we have a great government affairs team

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that can provide information directly to folks

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when there's something relevant,

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commenting on what's going on in the world.

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There's some exciting, right, policies, stuff going on

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at all kinds of levels, right?

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The Older American's Act is being renewed.

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Recently, there was a blueprint that was a scoping document

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for a national plan on aging.

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That's a federal plan to guide, right?

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How the federal government addresses aging

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across all kinds of domains.

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And we've seen things like that for other areas,

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such as Alzheimer's and caregiving.

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And so thinking about it from an overarching level for aging

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is a really exciting proposition.

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States are creating multi-sector plans for aging

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that include housing.

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And there's many, many ways that they're gathering input on that,

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including by checking out all of sort of these exciting

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documents and then also by getting direct input

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from stakeholder groups and from other groups like

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think tanks and nonprofits such as ourselves.

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- Yeah, I'm always fascinated by the voice

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and you have to have that voice.

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And you're the voice of two in the wilderness

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and you're saying to the world out there,

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hey, we have an issue, we have a problem.

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And the problem is that as our population is aging,

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along with the aging population,

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is being as high as it is and then also you've got

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00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,800
the younger generations, they seem to be as equal

525
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,920
in terms of numbers and percentage of our population.

526
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,240
And what you're trying to do is to bridge that gap

527
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760
so that you can affect both populations.

528
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,800
'Cause I think one of the things that we've lost

529
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,320
in my opinion is the whole concept of honoring

530
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
your mother and your father.

531
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,080
And when we disconnect from our aging population

532
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,240
as young people, I think that has a negative effect

533
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,840
on our culture and not in a good way.

534
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,880
And I think that's what you guys are addressing.

535
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,280
- Mark, you're really right because one of the benefits

536
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,360
of intergenerational programming is that you ask a child

537
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:16,080
or a young one who's been in an intergenerational program,

538
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800
show them a picture of a seven year old and a 70 year old

539
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,600
and they're gonna look at both of those and say,

540
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,000
that's my friend.

541
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,320
When they're exposed, when they grow up,

542
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,680
they don't look at the differences as something that matters.

543
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,200
They also learn soft skills and their patients,

544
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600
they learn more communications or more accepting

545
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,520
of people with disabilities.

546
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,120
And then for older adults, they see hope in the future.

547
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,600
So again, just from a very early age,

548
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,720
but I think that when we think about policy,

549
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,920
there's so much that we can do at the federal level,

550
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,200
but so much as state and local.

551
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,280
The one thing that I really appreciate

552
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,080
about intergenerational work is that it really cuts

553
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,920
across party lines because we all have had aging parents

554
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480
or we're all aging or we know people,

555
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,320
it's our neighbor, it's that sort of thing.

556
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,760
So you can really build common ground.

557
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600
And so what we try to do similar at Lauren was saying

558
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,600
is elevate the models that we see around the country.

559
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,200
For example, Nebraska just passed a state,

560
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,800
a state law that they're providing a certain amount

561
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,960
of money and incentives for people

562
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,040
who are building senior care facilities

563
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,120
with childcare centers.

564
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,720
And they're doing that because the workforce,

565
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,000
the caregiving workforce is really a very tough area

566
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,800
to recruit in, it's a tough area to retain people.

567
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,080
And by providing childcare, the workers have a place

568
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,640
to take their children, they stay connected to their family

569
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,040
and then the children benefit by their exposure

570
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,480
with the older adults.

571
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,840
So I love seeing states that are taking progressive,

572
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,400
but not progressive so much as proactive stances

573
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,640
to be able to make sure we're connecting generations.

574
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,320
And those are common sense things.

575
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,480
Did you know that many factors, not just those

576
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,360
we typically think of like diet, exercise,

577
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:10,080
and not smoking contribute to health and longevity?

578
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,640
One critical area is social connection.

579
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,680
Lacking social connection is as dangerous to our health

580
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,520
as smoking up to 15 cigarettes a day,

581
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,880
interacting with friends, family, and neighbor staves

582
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,480
off the very real impacts of loneliness,

583
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
which is associated with increased risk of heart disease,

584
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,800
stroke, dementia, anxiety, and depression.

585
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
This, did you know, segment was brought to you

586
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,040
by this week's guests and sponsored by Royal Hospice of Oregon?

587
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,840
And those are common sense things.

588
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400
I mean, I'm in the in-home care agency,

589
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520
I have an in-home care agency and a hospice agency.

590
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:53,200
And so I understand the tension between not having enough caregivers

591
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,320
and oftentimes caregivers, they're young mothers,

592
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,440
they're young fathers.

593
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,920
And what keeps them from showing up to work

594
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,680
on a consistent basis is childcare.

595
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,520
And I love the solution that Nebraska is doing.

596
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,600
And I think that should be pushed out to all the states

597
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,840
and providing, you know, if all of our institutions,

598
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,840
you know, our long-term care communities had that ability

599
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,320
to provide some care.

600
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,080
And again, I don't know how you pay for all that,

601
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,840
but it's, I, but I get the concept

602
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,200
because the long term effect of that is, is,

603
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,120
it's intergenerational.

604
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,080
It's going to affect our seniors, but it's also going to affect,

605
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,680
you know, one of the things I'd like to say about myself

606
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,680
and I say this with great pride is that I'm a privileged man

607
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,160
and the reason why I'm a privileged man is because I grew up in a home

608
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,160
where we live out the intergenerational care for my, you know,

609
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,760
I grew up around grandparents and I grew up,

610
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,640
and I'm taking care of my mom currently in her home

611
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,120
so that she can live her days on her terms

612
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,440
the way she wants to live out her final days.

613
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,320
And yet at the same time, I take great pride in that,

614
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,320
but I'm also aware that the majority of our population

615
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,440
doesn't have that ability, they don't have

616
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520
intergenerational relationships with grandparents

617
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,160
or maybe those intergenerational relationships

618
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,800
with grandparents are, you know, out of state.

619
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,680
And so how do you, how do you live that way?

620
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,560
I mean, it's just, it's crazy.

621
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,520
You know, it's, I think, and thank you for everything you're doing,

622
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Mark, I mean, that is terrific

623
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,920
'cause not everybody has that opportunity,

624
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,880
but I think I always think back to what a foster

625
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,480
grandparent told me once and it was care where you are.

626
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,480
Your biological grandchildren or grandparents

627
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,040
may not be next door to you,

628
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,360
but I'll bet in your neighborhood there's a child,

629
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,760
there's an older person and you can care where you are.

630
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,840
And I think that's a conversation that we're having

631
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,960
more and more now because people are thinking about

632
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,240
people who have not had children.

633
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,360
You know, there's an aging population,

634
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,960
part of our population is aging

635
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,400
and they don't have children, they didn't have children

636
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560
and having children doesn't make it a guarantee

637
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,200
that they're gonna take care of you.

638
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,560
So how are, who's gonna care for us?

639
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,720
And it's the responsibility we all share in our communities.

640
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,000
I love, my husband is retired and he spends a lot of time

641
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440
checking up on our former housekeeper who's 95

642
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,400
and our former neighbors who are 80

643
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,280
and he engages regularly with them.

644
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,480
He's that extra pair of hands and heart that's there for them

645
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,920
and that's what we can all do.

646
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,680
- Yeah, absolutely.

647
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,400
- And so much of how you make those connections,

648
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,280
it's great if they happen organically

649
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,640
and sometimes they do from shared activities or interests

650
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840
but because so many things are siloed,

651
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,680
we also aren't afforded those opportunities, right?

652
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720
To develop those relationships intentionally

653
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,560
and so the more that we can create conditions, right?

654
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,320
Through intergenerational communities

655
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,960
that involve, right, strategically planning

656
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,480
to have multiple generations be there

657
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,720
that have sort of all the sort of incentives

658
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,600
that financially that help and support people

659
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,160
to live in intergenerational communities

660
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
and then programs that help people connect

661
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,600
in a structured way so that they can build those relationships

662
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,640
because, right, it is, it does change your life

663
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,320
in your perspective, right?

664
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,400
And once you sort of do it once,

665
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,600
you go, oh, I can do this again, right?

666
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,040
And we all maybe have that person in our lives, right?

667
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,080
My gardening partner of passions intergenerational gardening

668
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,080
is 97 and we've been gardening together for about 15 years

669
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080
and I think, you know, when I first started gardening

670
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,840
at the garden, if you would said,

671
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,480
do you want a 97-year-old best friend,

672
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,360
I have to admit, maybe I might have been slightly ageist

673
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,920
and had a perception that, oh, it's gonna involve

674
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,360
so much giving my time and, you know, it'll be an outlet,

675
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,400
I don't want that kind of responsibility.

676
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
I think people might be surprised

677
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,280
that there's giving and receiving on both sides, right?

678
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,000
And that we have to remember that it's, right,

679
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,560
to make a real relationship, we have that opportunity

680
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,960
for both ways, right?

681
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,880
And that generativity, like the act of,

682
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160
specifically older adults, to younger people,

683
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,560
benefits both sides, right?

684
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,040
It's a unique type of giving and it provides benefits

685
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,920
and so getting ways that people can have that

686
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,760
so that now whenever I, you know,

687
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,360
I look at the world differently from here on out

688
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,080
and I'm one of those people that as,

689
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,840
encounter people who might be so waging or meet new neighbors,

690
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,320
it's just sort of changed my perspective and capacity as well

691
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160
and so I know that Donna's working hard

692
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,000
to make those opportunities for more people

693
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
in different ways.

694
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,120
- Yeah, and, you know, it's real too.

695
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800
As I'm involved in seniors,

696
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,800
lives in multiple, you know, multiple areas of their aging

697
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,920
as they age all the way from needing a little assistance

698
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,040
to all the way to the end of life,

699
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,040
it's a daunting task as we age and, you know,

700
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,800
one of the greatest fears everybody says

701
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,280
that seniors fear the most is out living here resources.

702
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,880
Number one, number two is the fear of falling

703
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,760
and, you know, number three, you know what?

704
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,880
I think even this is in third place the way I'm putting it

705
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,880
but I think that fear of being alone is right there at the top

706
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,800
and I know a lot of people in their 40s and 50s

707
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200
may not think that that's that great of a fear

708
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,400
but when you're in your 70s and 80s

709
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,240
and your abilities are diminishing

710
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:40,600
and you don't have family around you,

711
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,640
you don't have a support system,

712
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,040
you don't have that intergenerational support,

713
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,600
it can be scary.

714
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,680
I can only imagine and, you know,

715
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,680
when you don't have that power to do anything about it.

716
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,960
- And a part of why we advocate

717
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,680
for intergenerational relationships is because if you only have

718
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,880
one age co-horidist friends and your aging with them,

719
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,120
then yes, all around you, what you're gonna see

720
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,480
is what I call the three P's, pain pills and passing.

721
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,080
People are gonna talk about what hurts,

722
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,600
they're gonna talk about, you know,

723
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,040
what medication they're on, they're gonna talk about who died

724
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,280
but you can't do that if you also have friends

725
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,520
in their 40s or 20s or there's kids

726
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,760
who are running around that sort of thing.

727
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,720
So I think what you're, you know,

728
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,520
you're right in that people start to see

729
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,040
a diminished social circle because they haven't had

730
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560
or nurtured or intentionally thought about making sure

731
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000
they know people of other ages

732
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,720
and they nurture those relationships.

733
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,720
And also that they focus,

734
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,240
it's easy to focus on diminishing ability

735
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:48,040
rather than what abilities you still have left

736
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,440
and to be able to use those

737
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,440
because we've had intergenerational programs

738
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
where homebound seniors back in the day

739
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
were the telephone support to after school kids

740
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,800
or they were the ones that could, you know,

741
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,240
that could wave out the window

742
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,160
or they could do, there were things that they could do

743
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,040
in spite of the fact they couldn't get out

744
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,160
or get around as well as they used to.

745
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160
- Yeah, yeah.

746
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,680
- And it's efficient, right?

747
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440
So bringing it back to intergenerational housing, right?

748
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,040
We're talking about loneliness,

749
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,040
we're talking about isolation,

750
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,160
we're also talking about fear of outliving your resources,

751
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,600
right, and intergenerational solutions

752
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,600
can be incredibly efficient and also just plain joyful

753
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,480
way to address so many issues at once.

754
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,040
And that's why I think that the report,

755
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,200
recent report from General Rations United

756
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000
on healthier lives across generations is really important,

757
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,360
right, because those two things, right?

758
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Where will I live and who will take care of me

759
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,760
and then we're gonna add also,

760
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,400
how do I ensure that I have the resources to do so?

761
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,800
Really is the place where we live,

762
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,680
where we age is so central to answering those questions

763
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,360
and intergenerational housing can be a really important

764
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,640
solution to making the answers easier for people.

765
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,840
- Yeah, one of my greatest concerns is,

766
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,360
going back to outliving your resources

767
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,440
and that is a legitimate fear because I know what I charge

768
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,080
in in-home care and I can't even afford

769
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,280
my own services and this has got me very concerned

770
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,440
is that the majority of our population

771
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,600
cannot stay in their own home and that's not much of a choice

772
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,840
and everybody should have that choice

773
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,320
in that opportunity to stay home

774
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,800
or they can go into a long term care community

775
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,800
of various kinds, whatever they desire,

776
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,040
but it's even, it doesn't matter what model you choose,

777
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,120
they're getting prohibitively expensive where people

778
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,720
just don't have the resources or they lose their entire

779
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,040
estates in the process.

780
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,160
So somehow, some way is that being addressed

781
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,000
by both of your organizations?

782
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,080
How are we going to make it affordable for people

783
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,880
to live a quality of life because we're living longer?

784
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,280
How do we do that?

785
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,600
- Yeah, absolutely.

786
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,400
I mean, I think that there's a lot of ways

787
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,320
people are addressing this, right?

788
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,920
And so right now we are doing work

789
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,120
on the future of connected care in the home

790
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,280
where we're looking at how technology can be an important,

791
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,960
we'll call it force multiplier to helping people

792
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,920
get the care they need, including remotely,

793
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,880
which can address some of the challenges

794
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,480
as an expense of providing direct hours of in-home care,

795
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,360
and our previous work focusing on the forgotten middle,

796
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,360
the group of older adults who have too much in assets

797
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,560
or income to qualify for government support programs,

798
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,040
but who cannot afford the housing and care

799
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,080
that they will need or want, right?

800
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,160
And so we focused on that group on how can we create

801
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,440
financial models and also new ideas, maybe in healthcare

802
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,000
partnerships in housing and healthcare can work together

803
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,120
to increase the affordability of housing options

804
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,960
for the missing middle.

805
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,880
And so we are, you know, and have published on both

806
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,080
of those topics and we'll keep publishing on both

807
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,320
of those topics and also would be remiss if I didn't mention.

808
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Mark, we're also doing on caregivers in the workplace,

809
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,600
making sure that, you know, looking at aging

810
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,800
as an intergenerational issue and aging as a life course journey,

811
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,280
right, making sure that family caregivers

812
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,760
that are in the workforce that are doing elder care

813
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,840
are able to, right, keep, you know,

814
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,680
maintain their employment, have support,

815
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,800
and see some things in the private sector that might support them

816
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,680
and bring some of that innovation we've seen in childcare

817
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000
to people doing all different sorts of caregiving.

818
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,400
And so we're working on all three of those issues

819
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,280
and more about connecting health span and wall span.

820
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,280
- And I think that, you know, Lauren said is very important,

821
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,480
there's a way we need to restructure some of the reimbursements,

822
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,760
some of the ways that we look at funding

823
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,480
and change and update some of the policy around that.

824
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,800
But there are other things as well.

825
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,280
I think there's some really wonderful innovation underway.

826
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,920
There's a gentleman named Marvell Adams

827
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,320
who is a part of the Eisner Foundation's

828
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,440
intergenerational fellows program designed a model

829
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,560
of an intentional intergenerational mixed income community

830
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,320
so that they actually, the support was there financially

831
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,520
to help some of the lower income folks be able to age there.

832
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,040
And then the home share programs,

833
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,080
well not for everyone, for many older adults

834
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,200
to have a student in their home to either help them

835
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,440
with some of the, you know, have a meal together

836
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,360
help with isolation, walk the dog when it snows,

837
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,280
but also provide a little bit of income

838
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,480
that they need to be able to stay in that home.

839
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,680
And some state, one state at least, was looking at how

840
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,720
they made sure that home repair dollars were targeted

841
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,000
to that population so that their home was in good enough shape

842
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
to be able to have a student live with them

843
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,680
and for them to be able to stay.

844
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,200
So I think we're starting to see some beautiful nuggets

845
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,720
around the country, but as we've all said,

846
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,400
it's elevating those, it's amplifying them

847
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,720
and it's also enabling their replication.

848
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,960
- Yes, I know because the need is growing, right?

849
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,640
We know that half of older adults by 2029

850
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,880
that are, you know, will be in the missing middle

851
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
won't be able to afford the housing and care they need.

852
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,960
That's so many people, but there's lots of solutions

853
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600
sitting out there that people are trying to unlock

854
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,400
and leverage one of my favorite figures is

855
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,120
from a private sector group, but that it's 137 million

856
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,440
spare bedrooms, right?

857
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,720
You're talking about the possibility of leveraging

858
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,240
even some of those to help make housing more affordable

859
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,520
and also support connection.

860
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,840
- I do have to say, though, Lauren, because I agree with you

861
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,080
that it's interesting because if you talk with an older adult

862
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,920
and probably to any of us, we don't have a spare room.

863
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,840
It's our sewing room, it's our storage room, it's this,

864
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,120
so we have to be careful about how we frame it.

865
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,720
You know, that you have that space that could be welcoming

866
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,400
and engaging and you'd have company and build

867
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,400
the expectation, because I hadn't really thought

868
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,760
about that before that there aren't many people to think,

869
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,000
oh, yeah, I have a spare room.

870
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
It's like, no, that's got my sewing machine

871
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,600
or my hobbies or this or that in it.

872
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,120
- And that's, as we keep talking about in this conversation,

873
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,960
right, lens, right?

874
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,240
You had such a great way to say at Mark about changing

875
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,440
how you look at it, changes what you're looking at.

876
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,320
And so it's definitely not a solution for everyone.

877
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,960
I think that there's a lot more that can go on

878
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,440
in terms of financial models making senior housing

879
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,480
more affordable people that are looking at bringing

880
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,680
sort of care and decentralized models out into communities

881
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,680
and looking at how in housing that's supported

882
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,360
through various government programs,

883
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880
how it is more age integrated.

884
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,960
I think that, right, that everything is sort of a suite

885
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,440
of solutions when we're talking about something

886
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,440
that's magnitude.

887
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,440
- Yeah, yeah.

888
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,200
You know, one of the things I was thinking about

889
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,320
as you were describing that because I've been putting

890
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,560
a lot of thought into this myself, how did we get here?

891
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,520
And, you know, sometimes, and again,

892
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,200
this may be controversial, but that's okay.

893
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,240
We're on a podcast so we can be controversial.

894
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,120
Sometimes I feel like we put too much emphasis

895
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960
upon the government to solve our problems.

896
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,960
And we've gotten away from the family.

897
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,640
And I know that from my own perspective of,

898
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,200
and again, I look at it from a place of,

899
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,560
I was privileged to be in a intergenerational family

900
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,880
that has stayed together.

901
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,880
And unfortunately, our culture has over the last 20, 30 years

902
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,520
has been talking about how the family is not that important.

903
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,680
And now we're seeing why the family is important.

904
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,600
And so when we dissolve the familial relationships,

905
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,760
now we've opened up, you know, an empty hole,

906
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,720
and then we have to fill it with something.

907
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,120
And then that's where the government steps in.

908
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,560
And I don't think that's the answer.

909
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,240
I think going back to multi-generational, you know,

910
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,640
my children need to take the responsibility

911
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,080
of taking care of me.

912
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,840
I need to take the responsibility

913
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,520
of taking care of my parents.

914
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,560
To me, that's multi-generational.

915
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,920
And then that can go out, that's in-house.

916
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,560
And then there could be an outhouse form

917
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,440
of that multi-generational care,

918
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,960
which we're talking about is open that up to people

919
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,000
outside of your familial, you know.

920
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,480
And then there's a family.

921
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,640
And I don't know, what's your thoughts on that?

922
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:57,720
- One thing is, I think I look at this slightly different

923
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,320
than you do, but one thing is that many years ago,

924
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
the United Nations declared the family

925
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,560
as the cornerstone of civil society.

926
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,920
It should be respected and supported.

927
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440
And so I think we all agree to that.

928
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,760
And what I think about is that really,

929
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,440
we started to see the trend back in the middle

930
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,120
of the last century that people used to always

931
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,840
live in multi-generational households.

932
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,680
They grew up on farms that they needed everybody to work.

933
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,880
- We used to put that on, yeah.

934
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,160
That was a great example.

935
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,080
- Yeah, the wall, yeah.

936
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,080
- And then, and then,

937
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,360
- And so we're there going, what's the wall to?

938
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,680
(laughs)

939
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,520
- John Boy.

940
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,280
- But as we started to industrialize,

941
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,760
and families started to go to make,

942
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,120
you know, so they could make more money

943
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,600
so that they could make it in this new society,

944
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,040
we started saying that that was the norm,

945
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,640
that there was something that was wrong

946
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,760
if we were interdependent.

947
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,720
We needed to be independent.

948
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,640
I always call it the John Wayne mentality,

949
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,400
like I don't need anybody else.

950
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,880
So we reinforced that, you know, to be independent,

951
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,280
that you needed your own home,

952
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,920
you needed, you know, that was like success in America.

953
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,600
And what's happened, which I love over the last,

954
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,200
probably 25 or more years is that unfortunately,

955
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,080
there'd been horrible things like the housing,

956
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,080
bust and COVID that people, families back together,

957
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,360
living under one roof.

958
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440
And everybody thought that they were gonna split up again

959
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,160
as soon as that crisis was over.

960
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,640
But in fact, the numbers of multi-generational households

961
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,760
continued to increase.

962
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,640
It didn't diminish after the housing bust,

963
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,400
it didn't diminish after COVID.

964
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,360
And when we surveyed the families,

965
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,120
something like well over 80%,

966
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,720
so they were gonna stay together after COVID,

967
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,160
because if that had it worked, financially, caregiving,

968
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,720
culturally connecting to their roots.

969
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,400
So I think it's what we have to do is push against

970
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,040
the societal norm that we don't need each other

971
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,040
because we do.

972
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,840
And bring up public health lens, right?

973
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,520
Public health is all about creating the conditions, right?

974
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,040
So how do we help create those conditions, right?

975
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,760
Some of it is by right making it so that from an infrastructure perspective,

976
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,400
right, we have communities that support

977
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,200
intergenerational housing and housing stock that supports

978
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,320
aging and place in older adults having homes

979
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,680
that have design features and communities that have design features

980
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,120
that enable them to be fully included as well as people of all ages

981
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,120
to be included.

982
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,200
That's the best part about inclusive design

983
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,560
as it's not just for older adults, as for everyone.

984
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,760
But then also thinking about the conditions, right?

985
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Including to support people who might be performing elder caregiving

986
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,680
by looking at right the role of employers and how people are supported

987
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,600
in doing that work.

988
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,600
And then also looking at innovation, right?

989
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,840
For people that are far away and caregiving far from a loved one.

990
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,320
How do we have the technology that lets them have insight

991
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,680
and makes it just easier for people to be in contact,

992
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,320
connected and mobilizing resources?

993
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,880
And so I think there's innovation across all three of those things

994
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,480
that are happening and that can help create those conditions, right?

995
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,360
Because we need, once again, the public health lens of creating conditions

996
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,400
and making it nudges, behavior,

997
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,400
just making things easier, smoothing the way,

998
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,360
not making it so hard because I think one narrative that you just,

999
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,840
you brought it up a few times is that it's difficult to try to put everything together

1000
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,040
that people might need, whether it's yourself putting together things

1001
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,760
for yourself, whether you're doing it with your family,

1002
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,440
whether you're doing it with your chosen family.

1003
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,520
It can be difficult to plan and execute, but there's,

1004
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,080
like I said, I think resources on the way and people really working on it,

1005
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,680
including us.

1006
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,800
Yeah, and that's why I was going to go is that your two organizations are addressing,

1007
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:49,160
you know, this whole idea about how we can best serve our senior population

1008
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:54,520
and how we can best serve our senior population to fight loneliness

1009
00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:00,280
and all of the things that go along with that is, is one of the solutions is to bring

1010
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,280
the intergenerational approach to it, bring in the young people.

1011
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,600
And so that young people then begin to get this idea and this concept of how

1012
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,920
what it means to honor your mother and your father, your grandparents,

1013
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,840
and or just in general older people.

1014
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,640
And there needs to be a respect for the different ages.

1015
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,960
And then the seniors can bring so much, I've seen it over and over again,

1016
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:35,320
I've seen seniors reaching back and down into the younger generations and bring all of the wisdom

1017
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:41,320
that they have to the table and the younger generation can benefit from that, for sure.

1018
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:48,680
So you've got a task at hand, you got the present and you've got the future voice.

1019
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,840
Presently you're working on the intergenerational thing and other things I'm sure as well.

1020
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:02,520
Where do you both see this conversation going into the future and what are some of the future

1021
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:10,120
things that you are looking at and recognizing that we're going to be faced with, you know,

1022
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,960
10, 15 years down the road? Because I'm at the tip of the baby boomer generation. I'm on the tail,

1023
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:23,080
you know, I'm wagon the dog, if you will. I'm 67 years of age and you know,

1024
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:31,240
it's the biggest population that we have. And so how are we going to dress this and as you're

1025
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:36,600
bringing these concepts to the table currently, then what are some of the things you're looking at

1026
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:45,800
for the future? Well, I'll just start absolutely. We are excited about looking at the future

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and of aging, right? And that involves so many things connecting health,

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spend, and we'll spend. And many of the things we've talked about today are about how do we better

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integrate our home, taking care of our health and the care we might need. And how do we do that in

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new configurations that might help bake it more affordable, more accessible, and really meet our

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needs better while at the same time, you know, addressing the intergenerational nature of aging, right?

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It's about people across the life course. And so we're looking at different types of innovation

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on that. And as I mentioned, connected care. So, right, looking at the home is a side of care that

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brings together, right, how people get care, right? And not all of its health care, right? It's some

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of its care for activities daily, living some of its care for just how you're living your life,

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social care, how are you connecting with people? And sort of looking at new ways to bring all of

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that together with the home at the center. And so technology will be a huge enabler of that. And

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we're taking a look at how all of the technology that's on both the health side and on the consumer side

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might fit together in ways that integrate and also sort of build on the models that we have

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for being able to afford it, including those in health care and other types of insurance. So we

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will be talking about that more later this year. And we remain very excited about that as we look at how

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we support older adults and caregivers as people are aging. Thank you.

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Well, I agree. We're also focused on intergenerational living because it's consumer driven.

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It's what people want. So I think in the future, in my ideal future, we would do a way with

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gated senior only communities and that we would incentivize people and make it possible for them to live

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in age-integrated communities and see the value and the benefit of that. And I think a part of it is

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when we think about age-cigricated, I guess I've been thinking more lately about age-sellerated,

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accelerated age-sellerated. That's any time we're looking at an issue in this country, we need to

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look at it with that intergenerational lens, whether it's concern about the environment, whether it's

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concern about the discourse in the country right now and the conversations that we're having.

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It's making sure that we're looking at it from that age perspective. We don't have to tackle

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transportation for older people. We need to tackle transportation for all ages. We don't need to

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tackle hunger for older people. We need to tackle it for all ages. So how do we come up with those

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intergenerational solutions? So we're going to continue to advocate using that lens and

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elevating examples that show how powerful it can be. Well said. Lauren, if some of our listeners would

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like to learn more about the milk and institute, how would they best do that to dive in and see

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what you guys are doing? And then also if they want to connect with you, what's the best way to do that?

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Absolutely. So we're milkandinstitute.org and we have our publications on our website. We also,

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it's really exciting. We have credible flagship events that bring together experts and leaders

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talking about timely issues and across all different areas. And they're actually available on our

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website. So you can listen to Penny Pennington from Edward Jones talk about retirement with an

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incredible array of other experts on the stage, including from TAA and Trans America. So you can watch

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it. It's right there for you. And so folks can check that out. And then if you want to get in touch with

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me, my email is l. Lauren Dunning at milkandinstitute.org. Always enjoy interacting with folks. And thank you

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for having me here today. Yeah, absolutely. And Donna, how about you? What's the best way to connect?

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The best way is to check out our website at gu.org. We try to keep it simple. Just gu for generation

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genited.org. And on the website, you'll find out you'll learn about our learning communities that

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usually meet quarterly and they connect people around the country. We have an intergenerational

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program database that you can search by your city, by your state, what programs there are. I'd

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really encourage people who are very interested in this to think about the global conference because

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it only happens every two years. And it'll be in Louisville. So we tried to make a kind of a central

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area in June. And there are ways that you can ask questions on the website so that we make sure that

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we connect you with the right person at generation United. So that's usually just gu@gu.org.

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And my emails on the website as well. But I always like to say I work with an amazing group of people.

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I'm usually not the one that knows the most. Yeah, well, the mark of a smart woman is not that she

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knows everything, but she knows where to find out about everything. That's what I always say about

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myself is the same thing. Nobody knows everything, but that's the mark of a smart person.

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Yeah. So mark it's been a joy to thank you. And thank you.

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It literally has. And, you know, so we've been talking about fighting and combating against

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loneliness amongst our senior population and the solution that you're bringing forward in both

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of your organizations is intergenerational connectivity and connecting the generations to each other

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and that will supply some of the and provide a solution to some of the loneliness that seniors

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are up against in their daily lives because we all want in the in the end, we all want to live our

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best lives possible. Whatever that means to you. So ladies, thank you so much for being on aging

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today and your influence is being felt across our great land. And we want to say thank you for all

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of the efforts that the milk and institute is doing and generations united is doing to make all of our

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lives better each and every day. So thank you for being on aging today. Thank you, Mark.

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Thank you. All right. This is Mark Turnbull, your host. And I want to thank all of you for tuning

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into aging today. And as a reminder, we are the podcast where together we're exploring the many

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options to aging on your terms. Join us every Monday when we release a new conversation on aging

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today to your favorite podcast channel. And I want to leave you with this. We're all in the process

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of aging. And as we age, we really are better together. So stay young at heart.

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♪ You make me feel so young ♪ You make me feel like spring has sprung ♪ In every time I see your face, I'm such a happy

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individual ♪ A moment that you speak ♪ I want to go play hide and seek ♪ I want to go and bounce the moon

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♪ Just like a toy balloon, well you and I are just like a bulletots ♪ Running across the metal ♪

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♪ Bigger, a lot, so forget me not so you made me feel so young ♪ You made me feel there are songs to be sung ♪

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♪ There will still be wrong and wonderful things to be found ♪ And even when I'm old and grey ♪

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You've been listening to Aging Today where together we explore the options to aging on your terms.

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Join Mark and his guest next week for another lively discussion on proactively aging on your terms,

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connecting you to the professional advice of his special guests with the goal of creating better days

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throughout the aging process. Your host has been Mark Turnbull. Join Mark and his guest every week on

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aging today your podcast to exploring your options for aging on your terms.

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♫ And even when I was in grade

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♫ You make me feel the way I feel today

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♫ 'Cause you make me feel so

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♫ You make me feel so

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♫ You make me feel so young

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♫ So young

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♫ You make me feel so young

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♫ You make me feel so young

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