Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum: Healing from Long COVID/Fibromyalgia

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For those of you who had COVID and have persistent symptoms,

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well, there is fatigue, trouble sleeping, pain,

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and you know, any of the host of things,

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even heart disease, lung disease,

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these are all very, very treatable.

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It's after doctor doesn't know,

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doesn't mean there's lack of effective treatment,

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just lack of effective education.

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It's Mark with a K at agingtoday.us.

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Well, aging today, as you know, is a podcast about aging.

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And if you're not too busy aging or being born,

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you're too busy aging.

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And so we recognize we're all aging at our own pace.

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There are many ways to age and aging when the aging villain

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enters into the picture of our life stories,

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accelerating the aging process.

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We know that that happens.

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And so today, we're going to visit one of those old

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familiar aging villains, yep, it's COVID-19.

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And in particular, long COVID.

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Did you know, and this is a really fun fact to know,

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did you know that 15, 10 to 15% of the people

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that have had COVID are living with long COVID,

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17 million people today in the U.S.

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are living with long COVID.

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79% are living with some form of limitations,

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of life's, every activity of daily living limitations.

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And then 25% report severe limitations.

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After one year, 18% have not yet returned back to work.

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So those are in some important facts to know.

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And long COVID is not going away.

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And so because it's not going away,

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and I know that there are many people that listen to this show.

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In fact, I have a personal friend.

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She's a nurse friend of mine.

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And she was one of the first to be diagnosed with long COVID

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in the state of Oregon.

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And so we're going to dedicate this show to Valley.

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Valley, this show is all yours.

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But anyhow, traditional medicine has not been,

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you know, as responsive as maybe we would all like it to be

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when it comes to the solutions or the treatments

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to long COVID.

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But our guest today, he's a familiar face to you.

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If you've listened to Aging Today podcast in the past,

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his name is Dr. Tidal Bomb.

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And Dr. Jacob Tidal Bomb.

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And he's a medical doctor.

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And he's one of the world's leading medical experts

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in viral infections such as chronic fatigue syndrome,

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fibromyalgia, and energy and pain.

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And he has written a new book, One of 12.

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And he's written a new book, There is Hope for Healing

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in Long COVID.

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Dr. T, welcome back to Aging Today.

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Mark, it's great to be with you.

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And for those of you who had COVID and have persistent symptoms,

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whether it's fatigue, trouble sleeping, pain,

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and you know, any of the host of things, even heart disease, lung disease,

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these are all very, very treatable.

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Dr. Dr doesn't know, doesn't mean there's

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a lack of effective treatment, just lack of effective education.

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We will teach you today what you need to know

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to begin your recovery.

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My book, You Can Heal From Long COVID is cheap.

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Amazon is easy to get.

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It's a guide book, but we're going to give you

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the information today that you need to recover.

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And I want you to state that again, because that is,

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I went away after reading your book.

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It's the thesis of your book is that it is treatable.

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It just, we need more education.

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I remember, I got back in 1975, Mark.

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I came down with this nasty viral infection.

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It was pretty severe.

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And you know, the tests show that the weren't infection

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they can identify it six weeks later, are still non-functional.

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I was basically, I was paying my own way to med school.

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I was working as a nurse and children as hospital.

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I couldn't work.

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I couldn't focus for school.

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I was too exhausted.

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I had a dropout.

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I was homeless sleeping in parks.

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And the professors, they all said, well,

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six weeks after viral infection, you should be a buddy.

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That's probably the depressed med student syndrome.

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And that's what they're still doing that today.

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They've done what the conifities syndrome, fibromyalgia,

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any disease that is very complex does not have

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an expensive treatment.

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And that there is no one test.

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You have to use your ears, your mind to diagnose it.

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There's no one test you can get to diagnose it,

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especially if it affects predominantly women.

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The doctors call it hysteria.

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Hysterial comes from the Latin of, for uterus,

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to give you an idea of why women get labeled with, you know,

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all just in their mind, which is obscene and abusive.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so where are we today?

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I mean, four years ago, the world was introduced to this virus.

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And four years later, not hearing a lot about it.

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And, you know, I mean, occasionally do,

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and occasionally you don't, and it goes all over the place.

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What have we learned since then?

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OK, one, we know that long COVID,

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if you have the tired, achy, brain fog, can't sleep,

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kind of process, along with maybe some lightheadedness,

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things along those lines, you have post viral fibromyalgia.

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We know that.

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And we have hundreds of studies I've published eight of them myself

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and how to effectively treat that.

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So once you make that connection, oh, this is fibromyalgia,

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it's post viral, we know how to treat that.

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We know how to take care of that.

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All of a sudden you have 50 years of research.

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So this date is most doctors going, well,

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you know, they gave a diet, they said, how do you define long COVID?

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Any symptom that persists more than three months.

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So if you have trouble breathing or trouble smelling,

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or you have a heart attack or a stroke or your bedridden,

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these are all the same disease.

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It's like saying, oh, car crash syndrome.

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Don't you think we should maybe separate hip fractures

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and skull fractures and chest conditions?

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No, no, it's all car crash syndrome.

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And that's now electric car crash syndrome.

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We can't use any research from previous car crashes.

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Yeah.

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You can understand, it's a problem.

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We're going to be 30 years before the medical profession

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comes up with anything helpful for people.

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Yeah.

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And you have to wait.

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You know this firsthand because you started

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to tell the story in 1975.

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1975.

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1975.

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I was just a junior senior in high school.

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It didn't graduate till '76.

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I tell you how old I am.

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But in 1975, you experienced--

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'71.

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I don't know about you.

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[LAUGHTER]

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But you experienced something.

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And that then began to bring a correlation

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between what you experienced back then

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to what you began to witness, what was happening today.

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I've been researching long-overs for 50 years

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because of my own experience.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's really important to know

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because as we get into the long COVID--

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and I want you to give us a good working definition

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of what long COVID is--

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and then let's get into the symptoms.

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And then we can get into some of the remedies

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for long COVID.

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And I think that there's not enough information out there.

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I think that's one of the things that I've learned

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as people that are suffering with long COVID.

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There's just not a lot of help by the medical community.

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So let's get all that straight.

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Absolutely.

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So how do you know you have long COVID?

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Again, any persistent symptom that started with the COVID

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or got worse in by COVID that has lasted more than three months

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while they're intermittent or stay through?

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That's the definition of long COVID.

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If you're wondering what component do you have--

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if you have chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia, brain fog,

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if you're exhausted, can't sleep, brain fog, achy,

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if you have any two or three of those,

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you've got the fibromyalgia component.

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There's a simple equation on my website that

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will tell you if you have the diagnostic criteria

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for CFS or fibromyalgia.

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But if you have the fatigue, you may have 50 other symptoms

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with it, but you have the long COVID.

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If you have heart disease, not shortness of breath,

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many of you will have shortness of breath

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that's scared enough.

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Email me.

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Mark, can I give up my email address?

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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OK, write this down.

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fatigue-fatigui.deoc Fatigue.doc@gmail.com.

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If you have shortness of breath, ask for the shortness

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of breath information sheet.

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You can ask for the long COVID information sheet.

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Each of the things we talk about today,

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I'm happy to send out three information sheets,

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because it's a lot of information

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so you don't have the squillable frantically.

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You know, I'll be organized for you if you want.

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Yeah.

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Now, one more thing before we get into the nuts and bolts

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of long COVID, why should anyone listen to you, Dr. T?

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What?

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I mean, that's really important because I--

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I mean, you are a researcher.

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One of the things I've really appreciated about you

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is that you're a researcher and you're very practical

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in the research that you've done

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and you're all about solutions.

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So get a little bit more into who you are

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and why people should trust you.

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Number one, I am an MD.

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My background is internal medicine.

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So I've been doing this field for almost 50 years now

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in terms of researching this area.

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I have published as principal investigator,

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the lead researcher on eight studies of effective treatment

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for post-firal other causes of chronic fatigue syndrome

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and fibromyalgia, which includes long COVID.

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I've been asked and have written three medical textbook

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chapters on the condition.

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I am frequently on CNN Fox, even the lecture,

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I'll show when he was on Oprah and friends, good morning,

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America, off and out there teaching.

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The main concern of many of you now is--

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And don't forget aging today now.

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Don't forget the podcast aging today.

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Well, aging today is the big one.

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That's the big one.

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That's the biggest of all of those other diseases cited.

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So this is what I do.

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I'm a researcher, I'm a scientist, but I'm clinician as well.

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So I know how to take broad areas of information

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to put it together.

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More importantly, I take no money from any pharmaceutical company.

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That's a lot of money that I'm kind of like saying

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no thank you to because it's very hard to maintain

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objectivity, otherwise--

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Yeah.

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So I'm here.

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I had this.

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I know what it felt like to be decimated, crippled,

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go to the doctor and be told there's

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nothing wrong with your crazy or implied.

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And I know how to get to well.

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So nobody pays me to be here.

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I'm here because I can help you.

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And I know what they're going through.

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And I want to help everybody who wants to get well.

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How soon did you know that when COVID was hitting,

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that you saw the long COVID and you made the correlation

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to chronic fatigue syndrome or to fibromyalgia

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or any other inflammation, pain, management type things?

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How soon did you know that there was a correlation there?

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Within two, three months.

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We saw the processes that were being hit.

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We saw the immune changes that were going on.

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We saw the changes on the blood testing.

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We saw the symptomatic things.

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This is not the first infection.

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This is more in the order of the 50th infection

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to trigger post-phiral or post-infectious

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chronic fatigue syndrome.

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This is not anything new.

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This is just one more.

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We've seen this before.

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And once we saw it taking certain pathways,

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we saw triggering Epstein-Barrad, reactivation.

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And the cortisol is going down.

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We saw all these different lab measures and said,

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yep, this is doing that long COVID kind of process

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or post-phiral fibromyalgia.

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So tell me, and as I was reading your book,

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and I came up with this question,

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this is really a good question.

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What does a circuit breaker, the hypothalamus,

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and being, having COVID, having common?

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What are all those three having common?

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OK, so basically, one of the most important functions

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we have is to keep our temperature from dropping.

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Because if we put out in the world,

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we can live without water for three days and food for weeks.

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But if we don't manage to keep our temperature above 94 degrees

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or dead.

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So there's a key circuit breaker called the hypothalamus.

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It can size the area in the brain.

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It controls sleep.

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It controls your entire hormone system.

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All of this is done to control temperature regulation,

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and it controls blood pressure, pulse, gut, and other functions.

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This is all wrapped on one circuit breaker.

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It uses more energy for its size than any other area in the body.

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So an energy level starts to drop as you see with long COVID.

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That circuit breaker goes into hibernation mode.

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And then you have trouble getting greased out of sleep.

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You get light-headed when you stand up from time.

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You have brain foggy at all these whole cascades or symptoms.

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It also ties in with the increased sensitivities.

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For those of you who are starting to feel like,

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"Cease I'm sensitive to everything.

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It changes from day to day."

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It's called mast cell activation syndrome.

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That happens when the circuit breaker goes offline too.

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You can ask for the sensitivity information sheet when you email me.

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Yeah.

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And what I gleaned from your book is that the reason why the hypothalamus is so important

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is because it does draw the vast amount of energy to the body.

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And then you come to all of us, what's happening when a virus enters into the body?

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I found this to be fascinating.

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I did not know that viruses don't have any energy of their own.

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Explain.

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Well, first thing you fight, well, the virus goes into the body.

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In this case with COVID, it's usually on voice surfaces inside the nose, the mouth, the

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lungs, the gut.

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So the first thing it meets is our Navy called the agia antibody system.

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So staying hydrated because our Navy works very poorly in dry dock is really important,

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more important than any medication in preventing your kitchen COVID in the future is sleep and

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hydration.

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I'm going off the topic.

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I'll get right back to it.

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But water makes a big difference.

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Okay.

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Say the cells, your Navy's in dry dock because you dehydrated.

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The virus gets to gets into the cells, not sitting there and wants to make billions of baby

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viruses, but it has no energy producing equipment to do so.

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What it does is hijacks our body's energy furnaces called mitochondria and it uses that energy

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to reproduce.

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So what our bodies say is like, ah, dang, we're not going to let it do that.

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Your body shuts down energy production to try to starve the virus.

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That's why you get exhausted during the flu and other bugs.

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Your body is trying to starve the virus.

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Now normally your immune system comes in, kills the virus.

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Hopefully, I haven't gotten ahead of it because of slow reproduction by dropping energy.

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The virus particles are all gone and I'm seeing anymore lights go back on circuit breakers,

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go back on energy furnaces, go back on and your office is your life again.

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So what happens when little pieces of the viruses still persist, dead virus, but their body

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hasn't stirred it out.

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Your body thinks that virus is still there and it will continue to shut down energy production

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and your circuit breaker, if energy doesn't make it stuck in the off position because it

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doesn't have the energy to turn back on.

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Is that true with all viruses in not just the COVID?

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What about flu viruses and none and on it goes?

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Certain viruses are more likely to do this.

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We know for Epstein-Barr viruses and major triggers CMV-HH-V6, satellite, amygdala virus.

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There may be a dozen viruses.

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We know with Lyme disease.

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We know with a host of other bacterial infections, the host of parasites, polio is to do this.

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Post-polio syndromes, what they call same thing.

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There are certain viruses.

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We don't know why some yes and some not.

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It's as fever is very common.

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We'll trigger the post-firal chronic fatigue syndrome or long COVID as a color here.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so it's an energy problem.

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It's stealing our energy.

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It needs energy to survive.

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So what are the implications of it stealing our energy?

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How does that make us feel?

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So this triggers the whole cascade of problems.

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That's why it's so confusing for doctors.

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As a doctor, we want somebody to have something simple.

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Oh, you have frequent urination and burns.

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You've got a bladder infection.

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Yay.

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You know, your blood sugar side, you've got diabetes, your blood pressure side, high blood

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pressure.

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We have a test.

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We have basic one or two or three symptoms and a treatment that's perfectly expensive

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and then everybody focuses on that.

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But there are literally dozens of not hundreds of symptoms that happen and energy goes down.

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So core symptoms tired, achy, brain fog, can't sleep or can't get restored or night sleep.

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You've got three or four of those.

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You've got post-firal chronic fatigue syndrome.

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If it started with COVID, you've got that.

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But it can cause hundreds of other symptoms.

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Your immune system may be on overdrive and exhausted.

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You may get that every infection it comes by.

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You may have pain all over because the low energy causes muscles to let block in a short

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position.

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Over time, the triggers brain pain and small fibroenterapathy in the brain pain.

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This circuit breaker, the reason we stand up for a big bag of water, we stand up gravity

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since all blood down to our legs.

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This is a circuit breaker that sends up blood from your legs back up to your head when

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we stand up.

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So that doesn't work very well.

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You get what's called POTS.

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POTS for orthostatic attack curries.

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You stand up in your heart starts racing and you may be able to light out it and brain fogged.

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So these are, you know, none of this thing in your fingers shortness of breath.

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The list goes on and on.

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So many of you, instead of getting the viral, the post-phialoconic fatigue syndrome, you

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may have had myocarditis.

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But we can treat that.

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You may have had a host of other, you know, lung entry, lung inflammation.

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We can treat that.

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And if I can take a moment, Mark, and just look at organ injury damage.

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Yeah.

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Damage.

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That's three radical.

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This is basically just like the virus arrests these organs is called oxidative stress.

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And you can help this with things that are antioxidants and anti-inflammatories.

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So I will give a product called curamed.

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It's easy to find because that's specific one.

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Most curcumin, you need to take 300 pills.

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This is just 750 milligrams twice a day.

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You can email me for the long COVID organ damage information sheet.

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This will all be laid out.

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You want to take antioxidants, a good multivitamin.

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I like clinical essentials.

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Many, many ones out there that are very, will give you the antioxidants easily.

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Anti-acidants, anti-inflammatory turn off the persistent COVID entry that's still going

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on in your organs so they can start to heal.

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The brain entry, there's PEA and I would get one called healthy immune response.

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I'm sorry, healthy inflammatory response.

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It actually helps brain cells to grow even with stroke, even with the dementia.

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And any chronic pain has been shown to be incredibly helpful.

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So I'm not going to blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.

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But mostly what you have to do is inflammatory and anti-acidants.

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You need, and you have an energy crisis.

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The key focus today will turn, how do you turn energy production back on?

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Anybody with fatigue or fibromyalgia or pain?

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This is going to help you recover.

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You know, one of the things that I saw that I read in your book was alluding to this very

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topic is that when the virus eventually leaves the body, the body still is in fatigue and

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it hasn't turned itself on just like you were saying.

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How do you get that body to turn itself back on and get the energy flowing again so that

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you can get rid of all these implications?

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Well, here's the thing.

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It's kind of like a vicious cycle.

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And the turn energy off, circuit breaker goes off.

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You can't make enough energy to turn the circuit breaker back on.

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It gets stuck.

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So if you restore energy production, you go, this circuit breaker coming back on, or these

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are shown that.

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And then your body can start to scavenge and clear out through rest of the virus.

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So our research is randomized double blind, because you have control study.

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But the other health people at the NIH, it's funny, the research is said, we can help you

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on the study, but you can't mention our names.

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Politics is funny.

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I said, thank you.

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They helped me design a good, you have analyzed double blind, because you have control

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study.

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And looking at treating what you call a shine protocol, as very optimized sleep, hormones,

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and blood pressure as well, infections and nutrition and exercise is able to mild exercise,

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chronic conditioning, 91% of people with oncovere or fibromyalgia recover with an average 90%

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increase in quality of life by treating shine, crystal energy production, sleep, hormones,

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infections, nutrition, exercise as able.

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Now that's an acronym that is, is that an acronym that you created, or was that an acronym

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that's in the medical field in general?

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That's an acronym I created.

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I used to call it the "Shin Protocol."

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And then I was talking to Dr. Oz.

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I said, we need to tell people about this.

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He said, yeah, blah, blah, blah, prove it.

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So there was this tenant and the Air Force who had written him that he had horrible chronic

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fatigue and fibromyalgia.

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So he said, you go see tidal bumps, see if he can get you better.

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And a month later she was fine.

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She was healthy again.

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So he said, okay, now you can come on the show and talk about it.

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So go over those acronyms again.

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So S stands for...

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S is sleep, because this is a sleep center.

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It's not working.

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You can get these stored asleep without help.

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This controls hormones.

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So hypertension, also hormones, thyroid, adrenal, estrogen, progesterone, testosterone,

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all of those need to be dressed.

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Even if the tests are normal, the tests are...

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What's the medical word?

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Kaka.

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They are grossly unreliable.

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Doctors do not know where the normal range comes from.

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I'll talk about that later with you have time.

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You have to treat the hormones.

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You have to treat hypotension.

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When one of you stand up, blood dresses to your legs, you get racing heart, you get pots,

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all that needs to be treated is not hard.

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It's really not hard.

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I is infections.

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When certain infections try to throw the body into chaos by triggering jail breaks of other

507
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,880
infections like Epstein bars, even shingles or things like that.

508
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,880
So suddenly...

509
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,160
Explain those jail breaks.

510
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:09,320
As I found that fascinating too, like chickenpox is in jail because we have a vaccine, but then

511
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:15,120
it breaks out of jail as you describe in your book and it turns into shingles.

512
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,840
Do I have that correct?

513
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,080
There are certain viruses.

514
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,880
There are certain viruses.

515
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,880
Some infections are body disciles.

516
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,200
It says, we kill it, I'm not expecting to see it again.

517
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,160
It's easy to remember how to fight that virus you're gone.

518
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Some viruses are harder to keep down.

519
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:41,800
I'm guessing that the body keeps little pockets of the viruses so it can continue to train

520
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,840
its troops on how to fight these viruses.

521
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,360
But it keeps them in jail cells since the troops say, "Okay, practice on them."

522
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:55,640
So it keeps the antibody levels at a level where it doesn't go down and you can get it

523
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
again.

524
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,200
So I'm guessing that the body does this on purpose, or maybe it just can't, but you see

525
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,200
those with shingles.

526
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760
You have chickenpox and chickenpox virus.

527
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,120
It doesn't get completely eliminated as some of the nerve ends and you go through a stress

528
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,440
for your immune system down.

529
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,080
You get a jail break and you get shingles all the way up.

530
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,920
You know, arm or leg wherever happens to get the jail break.

531
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,800
And so we see this with Epstein bar.

532
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:28,680
And there are many, many infections, Candida, other infections that the immune system is

533
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:34,800
just so overwhelmed that these other infections is kind of like, you know, you have one big dog,

534
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,440
gets loose in the yard and it sets through all these other little yaper dogs that now come

535
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,440
chasing.

536
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,240
You got to put them all back away.

537
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,240
Yeah.

538
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:51,360
What are some other examples of infections that can affect us in your shine acronym?

539
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:58,200
So you have the most important to the viral infections.

540
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,200
Viral infections.

541
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,680
Yeah, there's not a test that I would give a nickel for for these persistent, but there's

542
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Epstein bar or the rest.

543
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,640
The tests are positive on everybody.

544
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,640
I go based on symptoms.

545
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,800
If you have recurrent flu-like symptoms, if you have chronic pain that doesn't budge

546
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,240
with anything else, there's an excellent book by Dr. Forest.

547
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,360
And then came out this week.

548
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,080
The importance of treating Epstein bar reactivation and chronic pain.

549
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,240
He's a pain specialist who's quite good.

550
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,000
So I'm going to treat based on symptoms.

551
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,960
I will go with a mix of fan of air and celibrex and tagamate.

552
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,880
I know it's an odd combination, but the research shows that giving this for about four to

553
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:48,760
six months dramatically improves not just the pain, but also the energy, the whole post-phiral

554
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,320
fibromyalgia phenomenon.

555
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,000
But it takes about four months to knock it back.

556
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,880
There are certainly herbal ways to go after it as well.

557
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,760
But for this, I prefer the medications.

558
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Candida, you have chronic sinusitis, nasal congestion, post-nasal grip, gas, bloating diarrhea,

559
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,800
constipation, and it's not seasonal allergies.

560
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,440
It's usually going to be Candida overgrowth.

561
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,960
And since there is no test that distinguishes normal growth from overgrowth, we will treat

562
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,960
it.

563
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,680
I will use the medication dyslucan.

564
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:31,680
There's compound endose prey or the herbs burbrane, Mbetex, combined with an EP300

565
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,240
propolis.

566
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,200
When I give specific names is because sometimes it's brand-matter, sometimes it doesn't.

567
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,280
But these go in and also help kill Candida.

568
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,840
And then we get the eye infection, which is the end.

569
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,360
And is nutritional support?

570
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Nutrition and foundation of making energy.

571
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,920
This is a foundation getting immune system working, that's who asks.

572
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:58,280
So I like a good multivitamin called clinical essentials, tablets.

573
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:07,680
I will add something called viral PRO-VIRAPR-O, which is elderberry, combined with high doses

574
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,680
of zinc.

575
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:16,440
The other doses of vitamin A, the other nutrients, needed to optimize infection.

576
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,040
It's dose properly.

577
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,480
I will give those two together for a while and stay with the multivitamin.

578
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:29,280
We did one study on 188 people, including half of those with post-phiralconyptidecentralum,

579
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,840
the other half of the CFS and fibromyalgia, who had at least a 50% drop in function.

580
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:42,040
The HRG-H0 red ginseng, and I would get the chewables, that's one quarter of the cost,

581
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,760
for the effect of getting the chewables over the capsules.

582
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:53,280
One half to one a day, or even two a day as you like, increased energy and average of over

583
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,960
60%, stamina went up 80%.

584
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,720
One simple little, but again, you need a form of ginseng that has a potency most don't.

585
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:11,920
For the HRG-H0 red ginseng, for those of you with chronic pain, mass-illactivation,

586
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,720
their immune system's down, but you have this small fibrenoropathy.

587
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:23,760
The research, I'm just now tying together the research that shows up all of that is a

588
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,360
deficiency of a molecule called PEA.

589
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680
And this is one where we have a lot of people who are starting to do it.

590
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,160
Again, the form I would use is called PEA healthy information response.

591
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Use that specific one because it's high absorption.

592
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,360
Two a day, it takes three months to start working.

593
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:52,480
But many of you will find that mass-illactivation, small fibrenoropathy, the whole pain will

594
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440
go way down.

595
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,440
It's even for dementia.

596
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:03,520
It's one of the only nutrients that causes new brain cells to be born and developed.

597
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,240
As opposed to protecting one sort of there.

598
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,920
This is, we've talked about this in six months when I have more research about that.

599
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,680
I'm really excited about this one, but I'm also still day to day learning.

600
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,280
We have about a hundred people that are using it now, and I'll be able to give you more

601
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,280
clear information.

602
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:27,360
But that's a missing piece that's going to be an amazing piece of the end for nutrition

603
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360
in this puzzle.

604
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Yeah, that sounds very exciting.

605
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Supplements, whether they're vitamins and herbs, those are, you've got a regiment that

606
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,400
can help people specifically.

607
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800
That's a lot.

608
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200
My little peabrain could barely grasp all of that.

609
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,160
So if I wanted to go to your website, is that where I would learn more about what you

610
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,280
know is described, email you?

611
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,280
Okay.

612
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:03,160
Fatigue, again, right at the FATI-CUE-DOC@gmail.com.

613
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Because that's for the long-covid information sheet.

614
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,040
So I'll send you those in the box.

615
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,160
If you have sensitivity, say sensitivity sheets too.

616
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,760
If you have shortness of breath, say shortness of breath, if you have no money, and you say,

617
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,360
how do I get, oh, no money?

618
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:24,320
But that's financially stress, also, the information, how to get well without much money.

619
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,320
Let me know.

620
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,600
And once I have the info sheets, I can send those two for free.

621
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:37,000
And also, James plug my book, You Can Heal From Long-COVID.

622
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000
We'll teach you.

623
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,880
It's all laid out in easy, easy terms.

624
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,520
My other book from FATI-CUE-Fantastic is a textbook.

625
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,240
You can heal from long-covid as written for people with brain fog, short, sweet, simple,

626
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,260
hair-step one, two, four, four, four, four.

627
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:59,720
I resonated with your book because you are technical, you are a researcher, but yet you write

628
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:04,620
in a very easy to understand, you know, style.

629
00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:08,840
And if I can understand it, anybody can understand it.

630
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,520
So that hats off, yay.

631
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Good job.

632
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,520
Thank you.

633
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Get back to a little bit on the nutrition side.

634
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:21,000
So on the nutrition side, we got the supplements, we got herbs and vitamins, you know, that you

635
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000
recommend.

636
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,720
Do you advocate for a certain regular diet, you know, whether it's keto or whole-food plant

637
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,320
base or Oreos?

638
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Keto can be very helpful.

639
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,800
Oreos are tasty, but leave them alone.

640
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,800
Yes.

641
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160
You want to avoid the stitches on that.

642
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,680
And you'll be amazed how many people aren't there.

643
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,680
They're tasty.

644
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,680
I just won't eat them.

645
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,280
My body doesn't do sugar.

646
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Cut back sugar increased salt, to not salty strict with the disease, to crash and burn,

647
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,800
increased water intake, which is like a fish because the hormones, two with hormones that

648
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,320
hold onto water on the body are controlled by the circuit breaker.

649
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,880
So you'd be like a fish and even leveraging like a race horse.

650
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,280
You can't, you're like a bucket of holes in it.

651
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,760
You can't hold on.

652
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,360
Salt is a sponge that holds water in your body and you want to water, otherwise you can dehydrate

653
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,520
no matter how much you're drinking a lot.

654
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,240
In terms of diet, there's no one diet that's best for everybody.

655
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:34,600
Most people is on a keto type diet or a high protein, frequent meal, low sugar diet.

656
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,680
And just use common sense.

657
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,440
You don't have to be on a perfect diet, but don't sit there eating fast food all day either.

658
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,240
You know, get real healthy foods and see what leads you feeling the best.

659
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,320
I may say, hey, I have a strawberry Sunday and I feel great.

660
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:57,400
I'm saying even three days later, not that, just 30 minutes later, cause an addiction.

661
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,400
So see what the body, see what leads you feeling the best.

662
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:06,240
I saw how water, low sugar, high protein, overall, especially people.

663
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,240
Yeah, yeah.

664
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:15,040
Do you have a preference of how people get protein, you know, whether it's meats or whatever

665
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,040
form everybody's different.

666
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Listen to, you know, there's times in my life I've been vegetarian and this time I was doing

667
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,880
heavy labor that if I had been vegetarian, I probably would have killed me when I was working

668
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,880
the steel mills.

669
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,120
I'll see what feels best to your body, see what works to be.

670
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,720
And use a common sense.

671
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,720
Yeah.

672
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,720
I think that's so important.

673
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:41,600
We often forget that, that we're all wonderfully made and each of our bodies react differently

674
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,560
to different types of diets and foods and on and on it goes.

675
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,720
So I think that's wise advice.

676
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:54,720
Mark, can I have a couple of other quick things because pain is an important part of this.

677
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:59,160
And for those of you who have pain in general, one of the books I wrote is Pain Free One,

678
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,360
Two, Three, It's an older book, so I wrote a book.

679
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,320
You can look up in the Cures A to Z phone app, it's a free phone app that we've had over a

680
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,920
million downloads and you can look up your type of pain, whether it's arthritis, migraines

681
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,160
or whatever.

682
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,680
But sitting in pain is not good for you.

683
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,520
The pain that your doctor doesn't know how to treat it doesn't mean there's no treatment.

684
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,440
Almost all pain can be effectively treated.

685
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,520
The book from the teeth is fantastic.

686
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,840
It's probably the best one is a little more complicated, but I'll go through each kind of pain.

687
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,600
A very good herbal mix for pain is called Cure Men C-U-R-A-M-I-N.

688
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:45,000
And if you have chronic pain, the PEA that I mentioned, the PEA healthy inflammatory response

689
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,800
to night, give it three months to start working with a cure.

690
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,560
You see pretty quickly at six weeks you see the full effect, but there's so much you can

691
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,640
do for pain relief migraines.

692
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:01,480
Vitamin B2, 400 milligrams a day in magnesium drops migraine frequency by 70 to 80 percent

693
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,600
after six weeks.

694
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080
The cheap, easy.

695
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,920
It's just nobody's teaching the doctor about them because they're cheap.

696
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,920
Yeah.

697
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,480
And just one of those bad guys, it's just who's going to pay to get that information out

698
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,480
there.

699
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Yeah.

700
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,000
How did we get, you know, I kind of jumping around here, we're going to go down another

701
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:31,000
rabbit trail, but how did we get to the place where all of this became so political and we

702
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,280
weren't listening to the science, even though people were saying you got to listen to the

703
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,640
science, but this is the science.

704
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,200
This is a science.

705
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,200
What happened?

706
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,200
I mean, have you any thoughts on that?

707
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Around the 1980s to the 2000s medicine went from being this really all about people in

708
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,840
health and people are good.

709
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,680
I've never met anybody in the pharmaceutical industry, doctors, they're all good people, but

710
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:08,200
what we have over the last 40 years is their institutions have become corrupted by corporate

711
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:16,240
and power, money and power, so they're rotten institutions, full of good people.

712
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,240
Medicine is no exception.

713
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:22,480
Virtually everything we get taught as physicians is been fed us by the pharmaceutical industry

714
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:29,480
in the year 2002 editors of the New England Journal of Medicine, the major Harvard Journal,

715
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,480
retired.

716
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,920
I don't know the background story.

717
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,600
One of them basically said that continuing medical education for physicians has become

718
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,160
slick advertising, pharmaceutical advertising, masquerading to science.

719
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,880
The other says, "I'm saddened to say this was New York Times," she said, "I'm saddened to

720
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,520
say that I no longer believe much of what I read in medical journals anymore."

721
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,880
This was the lead editor, one of the editors in New England Journal of Medicine, the Harvard

722
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,120
Main Journal.

723
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,720
So what happened is around 2000, that was kind of the final dust mill where medicine

724
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:11,520
went from being science oriented to basically controlled by industry.

725
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,520
Yeah.

726
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Yeah.

727
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,400
They're all good people.

728
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,920
I know these people, I've met these people, they're all good people, they're all well-meaning.

729
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,040
But if you have somebody who stands up and says, "But this new billy, multiple million dollar

730
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,240
drug causes these side effects."

731
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:37,960
Well we've paid these four experts, 300,000 a piece, experts, do they cause a problem?

732
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,800
Well one of them says, "Yes, he's fired.

733
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,480
How about the new ones?"

734
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:48,720
Suddenly everybody in the room is kind of like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody says, "No,

735
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,720
finds themselves out of the room."

736
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:57,840
Do you see that are we clawing our way out of this hole that we've created for ourselves

737
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,840
or how do we...

738
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,720
We're digging in deeper, this is so discouraging.

739
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,720
How are we going to get out of the room?

740
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,480
Easy by taking personal responsibility for health.

741
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,680
You don't have to wait for the health care system.

742
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,880
Well there are times our health care system is brilliant.

743
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,280
He didn't want to be pregnant in the 1700s.

744
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Now is a good time to be pregnant.

745
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,280
He had a good chance of dying in back then.

746
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,440
He didn't want to have a need of...

747
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,040
He wasn't having a pen to decide us.

748
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Medicine has a lot of beautiful things.

749
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,520
But when they help you, that's great.

750
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,480
But when they can't help you in the doctor's office, I'm sorry, I can't help you.

751
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,720
Thanks them for being honest and go find somebody who can.

752
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,200
My books will give you a good start on it.

753
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,320
The doctor says, "I don't know what you're going to do and success."

754
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,400
So you were crazy.

755
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,520
That's when you get up and you say, "Thank you for letting me know what an abusive SOB work."

756
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,920
That is totally not acceptable.

757
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,640
I will let everyone really know.

758
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Walk out the door, slam it.

759
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,840
Say, "I've never met such an abusive bastard in my life.

760
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,400
Please call the police on this man.

761
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,080
Tell everybody in the waiting room, leave."

762
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,160
His man's assistant says, "I don't know what you're going to do to your crazy."

763
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,680
You go online and you make sure nobody gets abused.

764
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Look at multiple sclerosis.

765
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,720
You used to call it hysterical paralysis.

766
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:25,480
Can you imagine any neurologist going in today and implying to a woman's family, "Don't

767
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,480
you murder her."

768
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,960
You know, she's paralyzed.

769
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,600
All four legs with the MS.

770
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Can't move them in a wheelchair.

771
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,000
Just push her out of their wheelchair, so don't you murder her.

772
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000
She's crazy.

773
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,520
This is what's being done to people see a fecified homologer and long COVID.

774
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,560
It is not acceptable.

775
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,400
This is abusive behavior and no longer to be tolerated.

776
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,400
Sorry if I get a little...

777
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,400
No, no.

778
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,880
This is what we need.

779
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,680
We need to shake up the system.

780
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,280
You and I grew up in a culture where free speech was so important and there was no such thing

781
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,480
as misinformation.

782
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,640
In fact, misinformation was that's part of free speech.

783
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:11,480
And so where my fear is what we're doing in this country for our young people, my children,

784
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:19,440
my grandchildren is that we're taking away the voices like yours that are going against

785
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,720
the current and we can't afford to do that.

786
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,520
And this is a perfect example.

787
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,520
Why?

788
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520
It's a matter of teaching discernment.

789
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Start to use your own gut instinct.

790
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,200
How does this feel to you?

791
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,800
We need to be developing BS detectors in our modern age.

792
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,800
Yeah.

793
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,800
And I'll give you some things.

794
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,920
So some of you say, well, he's probably just selling this stuff.

795
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,920
So I'll make...

796
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,920
I have a simple thing.

797
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,920
Except for one product.

798
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,920
I don't problem.

799
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,960
Or two, I don't private label things like most experts do.

800
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Everything I've talked about today, you can get on Amazon.

801
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,720
You get on Amazon.

802
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,920
I won't make a penny.

803
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,320
You buy my book on Amazon and make a buck.

804
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,800
You really need a $7.00 to a charity.

805
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,680
Everything that I'm missing here today, you can do and cut me totally out of it.

806
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,880
And I'm fine with that because you'll be getting well.

807
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:22,720
So this is a policy I have so that you can start in your discernment of, okay, if he's willing

808
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:28,280
to help me get better and not make a penny on it, maybe I should look at this.

809
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,280
Yeah.

810
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,280
Yeah.

811
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,880
We got to get off that topic and then some work in one, though, because we need information

812
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,040
and it's being blocked.

813
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,920
And it's being blocked by big pharma, big end, all kinds of other factors out there.

814
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:51,840
And people have discerning spirit and challenge and ask questions.

815
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,840
Yes.

816
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,600
And we're being flooded by nonsense to make it harder and harder to tell what is.

817
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,600
Yeah.

818
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Yeah.

819
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,600
I turn off the media.

820
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Yeah.

821
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,080
What's up for shows like this?

822
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,080
Yeah.

823
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,080
Okay.

824
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,080
Great.

825
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,080
Aging today.

826
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Yes.

827
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:14,880
Are we have we, have we learned anything from the last pandemic?

828
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,560
COVID-19?

829
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,080
Have we learned anything so that we don't repeat this again?

830
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,120
You know, the misinformation or is it, is pretty obvious?

831
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,120
The word he said.

832
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Yeah.

833
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,200
We learned that if you scare people, the death is profitable.

834
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Yeah.

835
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,200
You have a mobile belief.

836
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
They throw money at it and nobody keeps track.

837
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,640
Yeah.

838
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,440
You learn the fear of cells.

839
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Yeah.

840
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,440
So, so discerning.

841
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:46,320
I'm just, anyhow, well, I'm a, I'm a guy that the glasses have full.

842
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,240
So, you know, I'm, I'm hoping that we can come out of this and that we can come out of

843
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:53,000
it better down the road.

844
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,920
It may just take some time, but maybe I'm delusional.

845
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,920
No, you're not.

846
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,920
In my 70, I mean, I'm 31 years old, but I was born 72 years ago.

847
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,920
Yeah.

848
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,400
I feel 31, so that's all I am.

849
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,920
One of the things I've learned, even being homeless, having been dropped out of medical

850
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:16,080
and homeless, not going days without eating, sleeping in parks, it all turns out to be,

851
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,480
have been a blessing for me and a gift.

852
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Yeah.

853
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Everything has turned out.

854
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,200
And to be a real gift, I've learned to see things that way.

855
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:33,280
Sometimes it takes a while to notice what's going on now is perfect.

856
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,960
It's a challenge, but it teaches us discernment.

857
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,400
If we're going to go into a bigger world, more conscious world, whatever you want to call

858
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,720
it, discernment is important because there's so much more information coming in and if

859
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:53,560
you can't separate the wheat from the shaft, the static from the pertinent stuff, you're

860
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,440
going to go overwhelmed.

861
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Consider this our lesson in developing our BS detectors.

862
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,440
And it's a good thing.

863
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,960
This is not a bad thing.

864
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840
It's a challenge, but it's a good thing.

865
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Yeah.

866
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Well, I'm hopeful when there's people like yourself, Dr. T, out there that are looking

867
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:19,440
out for all of us and not only do you not have just the wisdom or yet the knowledge, you

868
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:26,040
have the wisdom that goes behind all this and knowledge is powerful, but wisdom, I'll

869
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,160
put my stake on wisdom every day.

870
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,720
So thank you for your wisdom.

871
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:31,720
Thank you for your knowledge.

872
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:33,720
Thank you for the research that you've done.

873
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:39,200
You're an amazing man and we need to continue to have you on aging today to educate all

874
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,200
of us on that there's hope.

875
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:48,080
If you're living what long COVID, what can we conclude with from today's show?

876
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,280
How would you like to leave it?

877
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,520
If you have these symptoms, they are very, very treatable.

878
00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:01,320
You can email me at thet.cmail.com for the information sheets or you can get the, you can heal from

879
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,200
long COVID book and will guide you.

880
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,720
And I want to leave in this thought.

881
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,760
If you get well, so you can go back to what made you sick in the first place, you've

882
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,720
done nothing for yourself.

883
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:20,280
Use the illness that you couldn't do all the stuff that you dropped.

884
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,620
And as you get better, you said energy to pick up those things that feel good to you and

885
00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:26,840
feel your soul.

886
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,560
But the other things, you haven't been arrested at home this for not doing them, but draw

887
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,680
your energy, let them go.

888
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,560
Get a life you love and the illness will turn out.

889
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,320
That's been a little gift for you as well for me.

890
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,720
And I also want everybody to know you're not alone.

891
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,280
There are 17 million people living with long COVID.

892
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,520
You're not alone.

893
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:57,600
You're not crazy because I've heard this from many people that are living with long COVID.

894
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,120
Everybody thinks, they say, the first thing that comes out of their mouth is, everybody

895
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:07,480
thinks I'm crazy and they think I'm lazy and they think that, and the doctors are prescribing

896
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,480
it.

897
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,840
Go to bed, just sleep.

898
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,560
And there's more to it than that.

899
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Absolutely.

900
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,560
That's abusive.

901
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,560
Don't buy into people laying that trip on your doctors laying that trip on your column

902
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,560
on it.

903
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,720
And find some deals.

904
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:30,440
So for those that now understand long COVID and they want to connect with you once again,

905
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,360
tell us your website.

906
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:38,160
Your website is endfotigue.com.

907
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,960
And like Nancy, D.L.A.Van, and the word fatigue, F-A-P-I-G-U-E.com.

908
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,720
That's where I have products that I sell that I find are the best models in the country

909
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:53,960
and world for information, vitality, 101.com.

910
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,800
For the free information sheets and for short questions, people send me the home medical

911
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,800
records.

912
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,800
I delete.

913
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,760
But if you have one or two lines, you know, or three line questions, I tend to get tipped

914
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,240
to those and answer them.

915
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:15,760
So my email is fatigue, F-A-P-I-G-U-E-D-O-C, edgmail.com.

916
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,880
And again, I'm happy to help.

917
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,640
But I love having returns from direct patient care now after 50 years.

918
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,240
My focus is on teaching.

919
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,520
And I'm happy to teach you how to get your life back.

920
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,520
All right.

921
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,960
Well, you are our professor.

922
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,400
You are the one that we look forward to having on aging today, to guide us, to lead us

923
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,040
into a better healthy life.

924
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,560
So thank you once again, Dr. T, for being on aging today.

925
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,280
And I look forward to having you back on because there's more to talk about.

926
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,360
And in particular, what you mentioned earlier in the show about dementia.

927
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,840
So we're going to have you back on and have that discussion as well.

928
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Okay?

929
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,840
Sounds good.

930
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,840
Sounds good.

931
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,840
All right.

932
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,840
Everybody from the big island of Hawaii?

933
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:02,840
Aloha.

934
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,840
Aloha.

935
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,840
Oh, I love that.

936
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,840
I didn't know you were there.

937
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,840
Hello.

938
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,840
Congratulations.

939
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Oh, yeah.

940
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,840
20 years ago, my wife and I moved.

941
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,840
All right.

942
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,840
Nicely done.

943
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,840
Oh, that's our favorite island.

944
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,840
Yeah.

945
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,840
Okay.

946
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,840
When we get over there next time, I'm coming to visit.

947
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,840
So, yeah.

948
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,840
That'd be great.

949
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,840
All right.

950
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,520
This is Mark Turnbull, your host, and I want to thank all of you for tuning into aging

951
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,600
today.

952
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,320
As a reminder, we are the podcasts where together we're exploring the many options to aging

953
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,040
on your terms.

954
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,400
And remember this, we're all in the process of aging.

955
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,680
And as we age, we really are better together.

956
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,200
So stay young at heart.

957
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,360
Are you make me feel so young?

958
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,520
You make me feel like spring has sprung.

959
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:52,720
And every time I see your face, I'm such a happy individual.

960
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,720
So, I'm so happy to be here.

961
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:55,720
I'm so happy to be here.

962
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:56,720
I'm so happy to be here.

963
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:57,720
I'm so happy to be here.

964
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:58,720
I'm so happy to be here.

965
00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:59,720
I'm so happy to be here.

966
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:00,720
I'm so happy to be here.

967
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:01,720
I'm so happy to be here.

968
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,720
I'm so happy to be here.

969
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:03,720
I'm so happy to be here.

970
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:04,720
I'm so happy to be here.

971
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,720
I'm so happy to be here.

972
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:06,720
I'm so happy to be here.

973
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:07,720
I'm so happy to be here.

974
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:08,720
I'm so happy to be here.

975
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:09,720
I'm so happy to be here.

976
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:10,720
I'm so happy to be here.

977
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:11,720
I'm so happy to be here.

978
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:12,720
I'm so happy to be here.

979
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:13,720
I'm so happy to be here.

980
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:14,720
I'm so happy to be here.

981
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:36,720
You've been listening to Aging Today, where together, we explore the options to Aging on your terms.

982
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:43,720
Join Mark and his guest next week for another lively discussion on proactively Aging on your terms.

983
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:50,720
Connecting you to the professional advice of his special guests with the goal of creating better days throughout the Aging process.

984
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,720
Your host has been Mark Turnbull.

985
00:53:53,720 --> 00:54:01,720
Join Mark and his guest every week on Aging Today, your podcast to exploring your options for Aging on your terms.

986
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:03,720
And you went all the way.

987
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:07,720
You make me feel the way I feel today.

988
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:14,720
'Cause you make me feel so.

989
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:21,720
You make me feel so young.

990
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,720
So young.

991
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:26,720
You make me feel so young.

992
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,720
You make me feel so young.

993
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:32,380
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