Can You Really Live to 150? The Secrets to Radical Longevity!

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On the subject of weight, I didn't die it.

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I realized I had an unhealthy relationship with food.

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And I want to say up front, the process of living a long, radically long life is in fact

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a luxury.

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It is not affordable by many people.

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I was in a position to afford it by circumstance and economically, but ultimately I said myself

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Mark, you have stuff in your refrigerator you should never eat.

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And yet, not only do you eat it, but you eat it unconsciously.

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And now the podcast we're together, we discuss proactive aging on your terms, connecting

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to the professional advice of our special guests, while creating better days throughout

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the aging process.

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Now here's your host, Mark Turnbull.

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Hello everyone and welcome back to another lively discussion on aging today.

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We are the podcast where together we're exploring the many options to aging on your terms.

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You can find aging today and our past eight years of programming, all you got to do is

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go to www.agingtoday.us.

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And I want to thank every one of you over the past eight years that have been following

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us and we're excited that 2025 is here and we've got a whole array of new conversations

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that we're going to be discussing in 25.

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So hang on, strap in and let's go.

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Well, in the United States, the average lifespan in the 1900s was 43.

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Today, 2020, 78.

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The longest recorded lifespan is a French woman by the name of Jean Clement.

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She lived 122 years from 1875 to 1997.

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That's pretty remarkable.

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One thing is certain that I can tell you is that since the 1900s and since the dawn of

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man, our lifespans are growing.

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They're getting longer and that is true of today.

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But can we reach a lifespan of 150?

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Could that be a norm?

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Could that be the average?

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Well our guest today, Mark Caffano says yes.

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And his journey, his goal is 150 and he is well on his way and so we're going to be discussing

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with him.

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Mark, welcome to aging today and I look forward to our conversation.

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Well, me too.

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And wow, I learned that you've been doing this for eight years, which I didn't know.

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That's really wonderful because to focus on the subject of aging for eight years makes

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you very singularly informed.

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Yeah.

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I want to learn from you too.

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Well, actually, I'm not as informed as you might think, but I'm constantly growing and

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I'm learning from all great people like yourself, all of the guests that we've had on over

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the years and I just keep growing and growing in my knowledge and you know, we apply it in

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the marketplace on a regular basis.

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We own an in-home care agency and a hospice agency.

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So we're trying to make sure that we use this as a platform to reach the world on the aging

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progression and answering all the questions that people have about the aging process.

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Makes perfect sense to me.

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I'm excited.

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How can I be helpful?

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Well, you've got a goal of 150.

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But before we get in there, let's kind of go back.

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We always start our segment out with getting to know you a little bit better and we're not

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interested in so much what's in your wallet, but we are interested in what's in your story.

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Every one of us has a life story.

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Kind of give us an update of where you've been for the past.

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I think it's your 69, is that correct?

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Correct.

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Yeah, 69.

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Yep, I'm 67.

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So I'm right there on your tail.

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Here are the tail end of the baby boomers.

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And so kind of give us a little bit of a background of where you've been.

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Well, I'm a person that is always being curious and not always curious in things which are

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great, but curious nonetheless.

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Sometimes you all of a sudden put the hose words not supposed to go or the fork and

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the light socket.

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Sometimes things are shocking.

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In a process of which I've had many experiences in my life where curiosity has sometimes

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been uncomfortable.

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And nonetheless, it's the nature of who it is.

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I am.

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I question everything.

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And so one aspect of this journey, 250 was really coming from the perspective of just wondering

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what was possible.

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And I would say that as people in, particularly in the United States, we're inclined to get

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a lot of messaging, a lot more because of social media.

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And about five or six years ago, I had an experience which made me curious on the subject

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of aging.

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And so I was actually that I was giving a speech and I do a fairly good amount of speaking

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as a futurist.

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So a large county in the United States asked me to come in and talk to them about how the

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future was going to affect them.

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And in particular, the conclusion that we came to is they were going to experience a lot

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of job loss, like 35% job loss in just 15 years of time.

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And I went through this whole process and people loved the speech and wouldn't you know

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they did a video and someone took some pictures of me.

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And when I got the pictures expecting to see this dapper gone stage, I realized because it

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was a candid picture, I wasn't very dapper.

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I was kind of chubby.

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That would be the nice way to say it.

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So without getting into a bunch of gory details, seeing myself clearly through the lens of something

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which wasn't my own eyes, not a selfie pick, but a reality check, I realized that I had become

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very different than the person I thought I was.

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So that was at Piffany number one.

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Piffany number two is I got to watch mom and dad and we're an Italian family, a loving Italian

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family.

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And we've lost both mom and dad in the last four years.

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I got to watch the end of their life.

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I don't know if your parents are still alive, but the truth is is that when you get to the

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end for your parents, your world changes just because it's a context.

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And what I'm, mom is still alive.

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She's 95.

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She's wonderful.

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Upstairs from where I'm recording this dad passed away at 93 just two years ago.

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So we had a similar experience then because my mom was, my dad was 94 and mom passed at 93

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and a half.

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So I guess I have longevity genes from this perspective of what you said, not 78 being

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the average, but what I would also tell you is, well, I definitely appreciated my parents

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life 67 years married and together the entire time.

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I noticed if the end wasn't exactly the end I wanted.

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I felt like in both cases, my parents probably left some years on the table because no one

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and share some of the information that I gained over the last four years about how actually

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to extend your life by virtue of how you conduct yourself.

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So first of all, being what I considered at that stage in the game about 75 pounds too

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heavy, two pounds a year times 25 years plus pasta because it's not telling God, I love

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pasta.

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I realized that if I didn't do something different, I was going to end up probably older

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than 90 because everybody in our family seems to do well, but maybe not having the end

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I wanted.

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And in the process of which I said to myself, I want something better.

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So ultimately, what that translated into is 90 plus something is what I wanted and

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my first goal, I just put a little sticky on my refrigerator 110.

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I don't know why I picked 110.

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It didn't seem so hard and you already mentioned Jean Clomon who lived on 22 so I wasn't even

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doing something that would be quote unquote impossible.

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And then I started to get curious.

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I got curious about longevity and I started to read and study human biology and some of

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the amazing things happening at Harvard and at Stanford.

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And people putting not only a lot of time and energy into how to do this, but actually

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the cadence of something that I refer to as hyper change.

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Now remember I said it was a futurist.

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One of the things I determined was that the rate of change was so extraordinary in our world

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that we could not use the past as a predictor for how things would go in the future.

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An example.

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The very first antibiotic was created in 19, do you know when?

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19 was it two?

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1927.

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Oh, 27, okay.

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We haven't even had 100 years of antibiotic and it didn't get wide use until the World

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War II.

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Uh-huh.

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So imagine if you cut your arm and it was one of those cuts where maybe some stuff got into

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the cut.

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Back in 1925, 30 because antibiotics had just been created, you might have the uncomfortable

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choice of actually having to have your arm cut off or lose your life.

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And that wasn't even a hundred years ago.

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And today if you happen to have prostate surgery, it's an odds on bet that if it's in the

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United States, it's going to be done by a robot, not a surgeon, a DaVinci robot because

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they can take, they can cut the skin off a grape and sew it back on, which isn't the skill

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of a traditional human.

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So I say to myself, oh my gosh, if in less than a hundred years we've gone from not even

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having antibiotics to having all the surgeries for a particular type of cancer happen by a robot,

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what's going to happen in the next hundred years?

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And that caused me to realize one very basic thing.

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We are going to have a change in science, medicine and the way we look at the human body, which

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is going to mean that in about 30 years around what I call my 100 year mark, we're going

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to have 500 years of science, not 30 years, 500, artificial intelligence and robotics and

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new ways to think.

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So then I said to myself, probably 110, it's not a good enough guess.

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So I said to myself, well, pick something.

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I went out there and I looked and wouldn't you know other people had picked 150, some had picked

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200 and I said, well, I want something that's striking enough to motivate me and impossible

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enough to get some attention.

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So that's where 150 came from.

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Is that a good answer?

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Yeah, it's an excellent one.

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And you know, I think that you're on the right path because we've had many of our guests

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that have come on and said some of the same things in and I think the future is going to be

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very, very exciting.

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What do you say to those that are the naysayers that are saying, oh, come on, why do you want

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to live to 150?

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I've heard this over and over again.

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Well, interesting enough and I was sharing with you before we started our podcast that if

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someone were to go to agist.com, agist.com, they'll find an article about me, a very nice

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man by the name of David Stewart runs that publication and they asked me that very question.

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And my answer was, I love you.

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If you don't think I'm going to make it because naysayers make me contemplate a very difficult

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journey.

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There's no question about what I'm doing is difficult and I don't find criticism in any

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which way shape reform.

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Not what I want.

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Please tell me because it might be that I'm going to learn something.

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So that's the first thing.

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I like it.

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And if you're not going to be able to talk about the problem, you know, I want to be inspirational.

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And if maybe I just change the perspective of one person who then lives a better life

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because they learned something about my journey, perhaps that makes this whole thing worthwhile.

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So asking people to contemplate something they don't think is possible and having them later

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determine on their own, hey, maybe he has a point.

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That's a good thing.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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What is ageism?

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I mean, there's a lot of, do you have a definition, a good working definition of what ageism is?

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Because I think it's prevalent in our culture and I love visionaries.

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I love people that have that pioneer spirit in them.

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And people that are usually, you know, slamming people like you, the glasses have empty.

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Well, I don't know that I have a definition of ageism that will satisfy everyone, but

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what I can say this is it's like every other ism.

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It's applying a series of predefined measurements or expectations to someone without knowing the

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details.

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So whether it is racism or any other kind of way of looking at things, it just says, I'm

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going to take a snapshot of what I see on the outside and I'm going to use that as a tool

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to determine what's on the inside.

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And in many cases, ageism in our world, both against people that are older as well as people

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that are younger is not a positive thing.

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So when we all of a sudden say that someone is too old for this job, maybe we ought to interview

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them and find out when we say that someone is too young to know something, maybe we ought

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to talk to them and find out if that's true.

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So I would say that there are some aspects of ageism, which are not helpful and we ought

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to be very careful to educate people, to not be, to have that ism and ageism is completely

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normal.

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It's built in biologically.

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Part of that has to do with this basic issue of procreation.

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When a man is older, his sperm does not have the same motility and health is when he's younger

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and the same thing for a woman and her ovum.

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The reality is his nature favors in some regards youth and it puts some cues in place that

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says, "Hey, youthfulness matters."

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So what I would tell you is when I was young and 20 and out having fun, it was not my nature

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to all of a sudden find the oldest people and bring them along for the fun.

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I don't think that was unusual.

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I really think that when you're young, you seek the company of younger people and when you're

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older, it could be the very same thing.

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You don't necessarily want to have someone who's playing the music you don't like or understand

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in your presence.

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And yeah, there's a lot to be said for when we cross the boundaries of those assumptions,

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we sometimes have a lot of fun.

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Absolutely.

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And in particular for me, I hang around almost exclusively younger people.

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A reason why, unfortunately, and I hate to say this is, may the people that are are age,

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I'm 69, they bring to the conversation of longevity something which is kind of negative

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for me.

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And it's my knees hurt and I can't do that anymore.

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And why do you want to live that long?

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And that's not natural or what would God think?

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Or you're going to wreck social security or or or and I'm saying to myself, "Okay, have

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whatever position you want, but can we can we maintain positivity?"

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So I would say even as an older person, do I practice some ages and yes, I do.

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Well, I prefer younger people and don't spend as much time around older ones.

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And I think that if you go back to the biblical records, Mathusela, I think it was 800 years

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and I'm sure 62 years.

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Yeah, obviously the world was less, had a lot of less pollution, a lot of less of everything

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and things were calmer.

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And I think that when people say, "Well, God didn't design us that way," I begged a deferred

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that he did originally design us to live long, good, healthy lives.

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And we are the ones that get in the way of shortening that lifespan.

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Thank you very much for saying that.

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I absolutely believe that most of us have a legacy of longevity that we discard and we

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have some encouragement from society because society wants us to follow the plan.

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Leaves dying in the forest, create mulch and is good for the forest.

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When humans dying in a cycle that people can understand, manage to make money off of, also

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make sense to society.

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So when someone, such as myself and other people that are living to what we would call radical

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longevity, do something like this, we are bucking a lot of normalcy.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So always when I see propositions, theories, I always put in the margin, YBH, YBH, yes, but

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how.

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So let's look at it.

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I want to say yes, 250, but how.

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And so let's take a step back and there's a couple of words that you use that I want to

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clarify, like hyper change, what is going on in our culture today, what is hyper change?

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How is that attributing to your goal of 150?

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Well, okay, first of all, let me redefine hyper change into a simple catch phrase that everyone

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can latch on to a hundred years of change in your next 10.

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In the earliest stages of human history, big changes like the Iron Age or agriculture took

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a thousand years.

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We had multiple generations of time to understand something new, to get used to it and incorporate

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into the way we deal with things.

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Then it became not a thousand years, it became 500 years and then it became 200 and around

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the 1700s, there was an interesting thing that happened.

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A lot of people are unaware that the original term innovator was preceded by a word called

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novator.

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A novator was someone who did not pay attention, who did not follow along.

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And at that time in history, you can't get yourself in trouble if you were a novator.

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An example of a novator would be Copernicus who said, well, the earth is in the center

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of the universe.

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The Catholic Church was not amused and his compensation for that was 600 years and unmarked grave.

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Now was it true?

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Yes, was it popular?

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No.

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Was he a novator?

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Yes.

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And did he get a just reward?

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Well, some people would say at that time, yes, because you're upsetting people.

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But in retrospect, we would look at that and say maybe the world would have been better

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if more people were aware that the earth wasn't the center of the universe sooner.

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So if you take that concept of it, it was a thousand years, then it was 500, then it was 200.

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We got to the point in time where not only was it okay to innovate, but it actually became

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economically interesting.

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There didn't used to be VCs.

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There didn't used to be startups.

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There didn't used to be this idea that you could all of a sudden take an idea, go down

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to the coffee shop and find somebody who'll give you some money, hire a bunch of people and

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take your dog and your buddies and all of a sudden go, boo, that didn't exist.

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If you look at many of the things that we enjoy today in society, it's driven by a completely

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different kind of engine.

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So hyperchanged goes back to about the 1700s and there's about eight critical things that

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occurred to make it possible.

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But what I would tell you is we created a factory of change.

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Not change was accidental, but actually an engine that cranks it out.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You mentioned there's about eight of them.

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What are a couple of those changes?

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Well, the very first one was a communication system.

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So back in the days of Morse code, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,

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there was no way to get a message anywhere, right?

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We were limited for the most part to paper mail or some kind of physical conference of

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the message.

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That was like a really, really big thing.

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And ultimately, the routes of the internet were born from telegraph, which then went

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along.

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So that's the problem.

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And so you're not going to be able to get a lot of data from the internet, but you're not

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able to get a lot of data from the internet, you're not going to be able to get a lot of data

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from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get a lot of data from the internet, but

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you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going

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to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet,

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but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the internet, but you're not going to be able to get any data from the

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I would generally say most adults would say less surprises more planning, so if you take

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artificial intelligence as an example, it kind of came on the scene to the public view

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about, how long ago, three, four years where all of a sudden, became kind of a big ideal,

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but it's been worked on for 60 years.

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artificial intelligence in the present now or was it in the present 20 years ago, depends

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on what future you were living in.

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What are the barriers to 150?

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What are some of the things that you see that...

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Gosh, many, many, many.

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Can probably the number one and biggest one for a human is cognitive decline.

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So at this particular juncture in time, around 30% of people at 85 have some material

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cognitive decline.

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By the time you get to 95, the answer is probably closer to 50%, maybe 60%.

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Why would somebody want to live to 150 if only two-thirds of the weight to that goal, they

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don't have their marbles?

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I would say, out of all the things I can imagine, that is probably the most difficult one.

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The second one I would say has to do with this issue about how long does our body want

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us to continue?

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There is something called the hapholic limit, which has to do with how many times a cell

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will divide before it simply stops doing it anymore.

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Some of that can be tested in the petri dish and some of that can be simulated in the body,

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but we don't absolutely know that Mark Turnbull will behave like Mark Kufana and yours might

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go a lot longer and might stop.

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So anecdotally, we know that there is the concept of a limit, how many times your cells will

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divide, but we don't know officially how it will get expressed.

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And the third thing I guess, category...

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Do you think that that is biologically written into our DNA?

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Oh, some people would posit that.

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I mean, some really smart people that study this stuff.

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So I've become an aging scientist, but only by virtue of my personal journey.

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I never woke up wanting to know about the hapholic limit, but you know, you keep reading

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and you go, "Oh, yeah, I wonder if that means I'm done."

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It doesn't in my opinion mean I'm done because I have a way around it and I'll get to

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that in a minute.

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The third thing I would simply say is we today live linear life.

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For most of us, well, I guess for all of us really, we begin as infants, then we have some

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time as children, then we have some time as students, then we have some time as getting

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launched in whatever our career might be, then we have some sort of time of getting better

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at our career and then storing some nuts away for the winter and then we retire.

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I think that's what I would call linear.

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Now people can spend more time as a student or less time as a, you know, storing them nuts

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away for the winter, but nonetheless, even when people were living 40 years or 30 years

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at the very dawn of human history, and now people's lives for the most part are still

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pretty linear.

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I would submit to you that one of the most radical things that will ever happen, that

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will limit getting to 150, is that people will not be ready and they'll actually fight

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it.

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And I would actually say no.

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A perfect example of this is let's just say, and part of my plan is to actually be this

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person, be 95 and be able to function like a 40-year-old with all the extra knowledge and

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all that ability.

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What do we need a 40-year-old for if we have 95-year-olds that have all the experience and

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ability in none of the downside physiologically?

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You see, we have aging as a mechanism of creating space for youthful people.

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We have people staying in houses, for instance, that because of the way it's working out, they're

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not moving out and where do you put your family?

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Because in many parts of the U.S., we have a shortage of homes.

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Older people are simply saying, "Cuz of my tax base, because of my preference."

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I got 5,000 people, it's just me and the Mrs. and I'm not moving.

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So you see this problem of living an awfully long time, it doesn't fit within the structure

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of how society is organized.

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Are those three good examples of why getting to 150 is going to be art?

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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And so it's going to take a change.

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A lot of them.

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There's going to have to be a paradigm shift in the future to get us to that place.

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If you look at, think of, I think I gave the stat at the very beginning of the interview

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here of the average age in the U.S. was 43 and today it's 78.

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Well, there's been lots of shifts in that time frame and then moving forward from today

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into the latter two thousands, there's going to be a lot of shifts that are going to take place.

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They're going to have to take place.

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Just take an example like retirement.

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And as an example is something which has not had a long history.

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Many people trace it back to Germany after World War One when people were expected to live

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two to three years after they stopped working.

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And the government said, oh, well, we'll give them a little bit of money so it's not so painful.

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Take the sting off of World War One.

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Well now it's turned into basically an expectation.

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If you do it right, you retire and if you retire, you get to live for, well, as it turns out

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in the United States about 20 years and as it turns out, we have the worst lifespan, health

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span gap in the world.

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Most people in the United States that make it to 78 will have acquired one or more chronic

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diseases by the time they're 60.

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So imagine that the sentence, if you will, for living the way we are and aspiring to retire

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is close to 20 years of being sick.

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I don't think that's winning.

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I'm sorry.

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I just don't.

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So I don't suggest anyone else who has their appetite they want to retire, but I say when

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you retire, you expire.

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So don't want that.

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Now, that means that I'm bucking the system.

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Yeah, because there's a whole bunch of, there's a whole industry out there's all organizing

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around monetizing and somebody's going to say that guy, Kaffa, I was saying no retirement,

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what the heck?

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, no, I feel the same, same pressures.

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Did you know that the record for the longest time a human can hold their breath underwater

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is 24 minutes and 37.36 seconds set by Butam or so bad of Croatia?

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Did you also know that research found that the microbiota enriched in monks was associated

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with a reduced risk of anxiety, depression and cardiovascular disease and enhanced immune

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function?

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The study concluded that meditation plays a positive role in psychosomatic conditions

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and well-being.

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A better immune system is not just an outcome of our physiology, it's also impacted by

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our psychology.

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This did you know moment was brought to you by this week's guest and sponsored by Royal

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Hospital, Hospital, Oregon?

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We have a proposition that we say often on this, on this aging today podcast and that is

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when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change and so change

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is inevitable.

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It's always going to change and the way we look at aging and that's why we've created

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aging today is we want people to look differently at the aging process and one of the ways that

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you're talking about aging is to look at aging a little bit differently and I think it was

451
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:28,900
you had said that aging is a disease and that's kind of a foreign concept to most people.

452
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:34,300
Most people just take it at the aging process is just the normal part of living which we've

453
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,380
been talking about on the linear side.

454
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:45,780
So how is aging a disease and what are the implications to that and how can we change the

455
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:47,620
way we look at aging?

456
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:49,580
Well, let me suggest this.

457
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:53,380
First of all, by saying aging as a disease is a personal opinion.

458
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:58,020
It's not ratified by every doctor in the in the world.

459
00:31:58,020 --> 00:32:01,540
In fact, there's a lot of people say that again is crazy talk.

460
00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:05,060
Let me make sure that I explain what I say.

461
00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:09,740
Losing is a disease in the sense that it is loss of function.

462
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:12,700
One could say loss of function as I used to be able to walk five miles.

463
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,180
Now I can only walk half a mile.

464
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:17,860
Loss of function as I used to be able to see well and now I can't see well.

465
00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:21,980
Loss of function is my cells used to be able to work a certain way and now they don't.

466
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:25,500
My immune system used to get me healthier more quickly.

467
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:31,380
I simply normalize the conversation of aging to call it loss of function and we already

468
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:38,140
have plenty of examples of drugs, modalities, protocols for treatment that cause us to not

469
00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:42,220
only be able to slow it down but also go backwards.

470
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:46,580
Therefore, even though it may not be classified, you couldn't probably walk into your primary

471
00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:49,060
care physician and say, "I've caught aging."

472
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:53,260
He's going to look at you and go, "Yeah, whatever."

473
00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:58,620
But I think over time what we're going to see is that different kinds of ways of looking

474
00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:05,620
at the human body and understanding the interplay of the many systems will allow the concept

475
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:11,660
of aging to be identified by the medical community as a disease and for us to live the longest

476
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:18,620
life possible with as little reduction in function.

477
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:24,900
It's pretty much common sense when you think about what is it that causes disease, then

478
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:31,140
the disease takes its impact upon our human bodies.

479
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:34,140
Most of the things are controllable that are before us.

480
00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:39,620
Boy, you just hit a big old button with me because I would tell you as a guy who's lost

481
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:44,860
75 pounds gained 15 pounds of lean mass and I'm doing things not what I used to do but I'm

482
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:48,220
doing things I never could do before.

483
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:52,660
I'd actually reverse my age.

484
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:58,140
No small part of that is getting very real about one specific thing.

485
00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:02,460
We have in our control and not every one of us because people are afflicted.

486
00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:03,460
I don't give me wrong.

487
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:08,140
I'm not saying that to one of us, everybody listening could do the same thing is I have

488
00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:14,620
spent the last four years optimizing every aspect of my life, every aspect.

489
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:24,860
My body, my mind, my psychology, my heart, my emotion, my relationships to ultimately become

490
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:28,540
the best version of myself possible.

491
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:34,580
In the process, I've been rewarded almost anecdotally by becoming much more useful than

492
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:36,580
I was before.

493
00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:42,820
So it's so give us some examples of things that you peeled away from your life.

494
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:47,740
First of all, just the physical part of peeling off 75 pounds.

495
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:53,220
What did you do differently besides push away from the table?

496
00:34:53,220 --> 00:35:02,180
And then some of the things that you did in a personally in your own psychology and spiritually

497
00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:05,900
and all of it, it's a total picture is what you're saying.

498
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,380
Absolutely, it is total picture.

499
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:09,380
Thank you.

500
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:10,380
Great question.

501
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:11,780
Great question.

502
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:15,860
On the subject of weight, I didn't die it.

503
00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:20,980
I realized I had an unhealthy relationship with food.

504
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:27,620
And I want to say up front, the process of living a long, radically long life is in fact

505
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:28,700
a luxury.

506
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:32,300
It is not affordable by many people.

507
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:38,180
I was in a position to afford it by circumstance and economically, but ultimately I said myself

508
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:42,740
Mark, you have stuff in your refrigerator you should never eat.

509
00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:46,620
And yet not only do you eat it, but you eat it unconsciously.

510
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:51,940
I remember one day waking up in the morning and saying, I am going to eat clean today.

511
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:55,500
And at 11 o'clock I had a mouthful of potato chips and don't even remember putting them

512
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:56,860
in my mouth.

513
00:35:56,860 --> 00:36:04,540
I had had this reflexive way of using food as a tool to manage distress.

514
00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:07,940
And when I really came to the conclusion, it wasn't going to make a difference.

515
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:11,100
How much I were little I ate.

516
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,420
I was going to be unhealthy because I remember when I was eating the wrong stuff.

517
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:18,980
And number two, my relationship to food needed to completely be reoriented.

518
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:22,260
And my mom and my dad were very healthy in that regard.

519
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:24,100
They put good food on the table.

520
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:31,460
They did not encourage over consumption, but it was for me an emotional trigger.

521
00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:36,740
So the weight started falling off when I said to myself, wait a second, be a happy person.

522
00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:41,220
Don't use food as a tool to be happy.

523
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:42,220
Yeah.

524
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:49,700
Did the shift in you moved more towards whole foods?

525
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:50,700
Plant-based food?

526
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,300
And visually come to identify.

527
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,300
Yeah.

528
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,940
Left processed foods, which as it turned out, four or five years ago was more of an innovative

529
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:00,220
way of thinking, but today it's become very mainstream.

530
00:37:00,220 --> 00:37:02,820
Don't eat stuff that is already pre-done and cooked for you.

531
00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:08,140
Don't eat things that are all individual ingredients that you can control.

532
00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:14,300
You want to put meat and tomatoes and chicken and different things into something and cook

533
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:15,300
it?

534
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:16,300
Yay!

535
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:17,300
Because then you can choose those things.

536
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:22,500
But when you have a laundry list of ingredients on a package and you go, I don't know what

537
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,180
that is, that's probably bad.

538
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:29,340
And I would say the average person would benefit by simply classifying food as one of

539
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:30,540
two things.

540
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:32,100
Fuel or poison.

541
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:36,100
And I've helped a number of people that are in my friendship circle because I don't do

542
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:38,820
this as a to make money.

543
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:42,860
I simply say if it goes in your mouth, it's either fuel or poison.

544
00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:45,660
And if it's not fuel, assume it's poison.

545
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:46,660
Yeah.

546
00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:50,860
So if you're not in a place where you can make a decision, just only fuel.

547
00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:55,300
And amazingly, gosh darn it, your body starts shedding weight.

548
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:56,300
Yeah.

549
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:57,300
Yeah.

550
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:58,460
I've noticed the same thing with myself.

551
00:37:58,460 --> 00:38:01,140
I was much like yourself.

552
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:09,180
It took a photo of me realizing the extension of my stomach and I was going, oh my goodness.

553
00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:11,380
When you look in the mirror, I didn't see it.

554
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:15,820
You know, I thought I was like, okay, I'm just average, you know.

555
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:21,860
But now it took a photo when I go, wow, I didn't realize.

556
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:28,340
And it was a photo while I was in the pool with no shirt on that showed the extended stomach.

557
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:29,340
The bloating.

558
00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:30,340
Yeah.

559
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:34,300
You can't run from reality, but you know, that's not the selfie you take on purpose and

560
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:35,300
post on social.

561
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:36,300
Yeah.

562
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,300
Yeah.

563
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:40,780
So anyway, my point is simply that using that as a very specific example, you asked about

564
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:41,780
other things.

565
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:44,460
I realized it wasn't dieting.

566
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,580
I had to change my relationship to food.

567
00:38:46,580 --> 00:38:50,220
And when I did, everything became easier.

568
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:55,660
Secondarily, I, through a variety of circumstances, had relocated from one state to another.

569
00:38:55,660 --> 00:39:01,260
The second state didn't work out and I had to complete a third move in four years.

570
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:04,140
So in other words, I lived in three different states in four years.

571
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:06,500
That's very upsetting.

572
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:11,900
I did it all by myself, all by my loans without the support of the significant other and

573
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,180
without the direct connection to my family.

574
00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:17,740
I mean, they've followed along and certainly been interested, but they've always said, Mark,

575
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:18,900
you got to do what you got to do.

576
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,860
So I moved three different states and you know what?

577
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:25,640
I'm in such a wonderful place right now, Arizona.

578
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,320
But until I got here, my environment was actually causing me to age.

579
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,240
I didn't realize it, but now I can see it.

580
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,880
So my point is another example is optimizing for my environment.

581
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,520
And then I happen to move into an amazing place where they have a world-class gym, three floors

582
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,640
down from the floor that I live on.

583
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,880
And I never miss a workout because there's never a commute.

584
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,240
And I happen to be within walking distance of 150 restaurants.

585
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,240
And I happen to live in the sunshine.

586
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:03,160
And when my blinds go up, I get the morning sun into my eyes, which makes my mitochondria

587
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,160
light up.

588
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:10,600
And my point is I'm exploring a kind of behavior that even the most people don't have the

589
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,800
ability to do, but even if they have the ability to do that, they wouldn't because it might

590
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,640
cause them to have to make wholesale changes.

591
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,720
And there are many big changes to live better.

592
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:29,400
And I've always said to my corporate audiences when talking about hyperchanged.

593
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,200
I used to say, have a plan, monitor the plan, execute the plan.

594
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,040
And they would always forget because they'd say, well, what am I supposed to do to be better?

595
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,040
And I said, let me just make it two things.

596
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,920
Live in the right place for you.

597
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,320
Hang with the right people.

598
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:56,080
And if a person can only do those two things, they're well on their way to profound life change.

599
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,640
So I had to take my own medicine, Mark.

600
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,200
I live in the right place and I hang with the right people.

601
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,920
I meet so many nice people every day that welcome me and I have this website, mark 150.com,

602
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,320
which I just share with people.

603
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,760
I say, you want to learn about my journey.

604
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,960
Go to mark 150.com.

605
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:23,280
So that's an example and then I had to read more and I had to be more patient and I had to

606
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,480
meditate more and pray more and do all the things necessary to become a better human being.

607
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:34,680
So this is not just take a pill scenario.

608
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,680
Yeah.

609
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,800
How would you classify yourself?

610
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,800
The glass half full, half empty.

611
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Most of your life is?

612
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,480
Yeah, I'm, unfortunately, into the wildly over full.

613
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,480
I kind of splash water on people.

614
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Yeah.

615
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,320
And actually, I could say that I'm too optimistic.

616
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,520
And so I've had to become a little less optimistic.

617
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,560
But my mind says, everything is wonderful.

618
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,560
It's great.

619
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,560
It's happy.

620
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,400
It gets me through difficult circumstances, but probably I've had to become a little more

621
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,400
pragmatic.

622
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,400
Yeah.

623
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:13,120
And then talk a little, so you shed 75 pounds off the food.

624
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,320
You shed 75 pounds off of the environment.

625
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,200
What are there, and you mentioned a little bit about relationships and things like that.

626
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,960
But is there any other significant aha moments that took place?

627
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,800
So I'm involved in a program and I won't say the name of the company because probably that's

628
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,120
not something you want to happen.

629
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,320
But let's just say people can find out about it on my website.

630
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,580
I believe that at the end of the day, there is a way for us to be optimized for what we

631
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:44,260
cause ourselves to want to do.

632
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:47,500
And there's a really an interesting guy, and I will mention his name because he's a doctor.

633
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,700
His name is Dr. Peter Atia.

634
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:56,260
And he has a strategy that says, if at 100, you want to be able to live a certain kind of

635
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:58,340
life, start practicing that life now.

636
00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:01,740
And he has this thing called the Centenarian de Cathalon.

637
00:43:01,740 --> 00:43:05,460
The ten things that you want to be able to do when you get to 100.

638
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:08,100
Like, can you take your bag and put it in the overhead bin?

639
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,340
And can you walk your doggy for an hour?

640
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:12,620
Over those things are have sex.

641
00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:13,820
Or just even walk.

642
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:15,420
Whatever that is.

643
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:23,620
But my point is, I said to myself, I got to start leading the life I want to live now.

644
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:29,460
And I would tell you that today, I consume life like in my early 30s.

645
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:37,260
I do not let into my head anything, any of the psycho babble that comes from society or

646
00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:39,660
doctors that says, oh, you're too old for that.

647
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:41,140
No, that doesn't even exist.

648
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:44,620
I'm not too old for anything.

649
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:47,860
I do think is that I believe serve me.

650
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:51,500
And the bottom line is, it's easier to hurt yourself when you're older in certain kinds

651
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:52,500
of exercises.

652
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:55,300
And it takes longer to rehab yourself.

653
00:43:55,300 --> 00:44:01,980
But nonetheless, I'm going to be participating in Spartan races in 2025.

654
00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:03,620
Very exciting.

655
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:06,420
And to me, a lot of people would say, are you out of your mind?

656
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:08,620
And I say, no, why?

657
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:10,180
And it's not me trying to prove a point.

658
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:13,900
It's me saying to myself, I've always been competitive.

659
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:19,380
I played a sport in the university, and I'm competitively skewed, and I've done a lot

660
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:20,980
of interesting things.

661
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:22,900
Why wouldn't I just keep being competitive?

662
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:31,460
So mindset-wise, living as if I am young in anticipation, and I'll give you a little bit

663
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:36,740
of a hint as to where I'm going on this, in six more years, I get to 75.

664
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:41,220
And at 75, there's going to be a book that is called The Halfway Mark.

665
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:43,300
That's a pun.

666
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:50,580
And The Halfway Mark is really about my journey to be living life 45 years old biologically

667
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:56,380
and 75 years old in terms of chronological years.

668
00:44:56,380 --> 00:45:01,660
And for all those naysayers that you mentioned earlier, some people would say, well, that's

669
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:04,620
just, you know, what crazy.

670
00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:09,180
And I would say, unless, of course, you have to know about the Rejuvenation Olympics, where

671
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:16,540
there's actually people that, like, I know somebody who's 62, and he's biologically 38.

672
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:20,420
So I'm standing on the shoulder of giants.

673
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:23,140
People that have done it far better than me.

674
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:26,580
But I am telling you that the thing I'm doing that probably is more important than any

675
00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:28,180
for some of your audience.

676
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:32,180
I started at 65.

677
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:36,060
And I was like, this whole business is about, it's too late.

678
00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:38,420
Let's get rid of that idea.

679
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:41,300
I was the poster child for it's too late.

680
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,100
75 pounds too heavy.

681
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:44,900
65 years of age.

682
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:47,180
At a time when everyone's saying, aren't you going to retire, Mark?

683
00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:48,940
And I'm going, no!

684
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:51,300
No, not.

685
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:56,620
So hopefully that maybe puts a wrapper around the overall subject of the individual things

686
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:59,540
like losing weight and getting stronger.

687
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:01,100
Be optimal.

688
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:02,100
Yeah.

689
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,100
Yeah.

690
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:10,380
I remember my grandfather, very wise individual, very successful individual, and he pulled

691
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:14,300
out of his wallet one day and I said, what made you so successful and he had this little

692
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:15,300
saying?

693
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:18,180
It said, never be associated with failure.

694
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:24,100
In other words, what he was saying, just in a different way in his generation, surround

695
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:27,100
yourself.

696
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:28,780
He said, Mark, surround yourself with people that are more brilliant than you.

697
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:29,780
Absolutely.

698
00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:32,100
And do not be offended, do not.

699
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,340
It's easy to get jealous or whatever.

700
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:44,060
Just surround yourself with people that think positive and think outside the box and are

701
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:50,300
moving forward with their lives and don't surround yourself with people that are the

702
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:54,180
naysayers, the people that are going to pull you down is what he was saying.

703
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:55,180
Is that so true?

704
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:56,180
Yeah.

705
00:46:56,180 --> 00:47:00,740
And you know, interestingly enough in that, Mark, and your grandfather is a wise person.

706
00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:07,700
No small part of my desire to last longer is I want to take people such as yourself and

707
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:13,140
people such as your grandfather and cause them to last longer to be able to share what

708
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:14,140
they've learned.

709
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:19,140
Isn't it ironic as an example that we get to a point in time where we arrive at 60 and

710
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:23,340
this is when we start to get our first chronic illness and we start to think, well, maybe

711
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:24,340
I'm done.

712
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:26,580
Maybe I need to start thinking about selling the company or whatever.

713
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:32,460
And I'm saying, no, the world needs the older, more mature voice moderated, of course,

714
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:35,500
to allow younger people to continue to create.

715
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:41,380
But I want to keep the brightest of the world around, throw a lot longer to share what they

716
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:42,380
learned.

717
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:43,380
Yeah.

718
00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:44,900
I wish I'd gotten to know your grandfather.

719
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:45,900
Yeah.

720
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:52,980
I wish he had been longer in my life, you know, but he, I very blessed to have a grandfather

721
00:47:52,980 --> 00:48:00,500
like that that was very involved in our lives at the time that we had to spend together.

722
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:08,780
You know, one of the things I was also thinking about was, you know, just the whole idea of wisdom

723
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:09,980
and knowledge.

724
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:13,820
So we're churning out a lot of people with a lot of knowledge.

725
00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:19,700
And one thing that is lacking in our culture today, I believe is wisdom.

726
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:22,460
It's the Huckma is what they call it in the Hebrew.

727
00:48:22,460 --> 00:48:29,140
Huckma means literally wisdom and it's living life skillfully.

728
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:31,220
And it's just not about knowledge.

729
00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:38,420
And this is where the young people, if we could interact more succinctly with each other,

730
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:40,140
more often with each other.

731
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:43,780
And there's a better respect between the generations.

732
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:50,380
There's a lot that can be done with that knowledge as long as it's coupled with wisdom.

733
00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:51,380
And respect.

734
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:52,380
Yeah.

735
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:53,380
Absolutely.

736
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:54,620
All voices are valuable.

737
00:48:54,620 --> 00:49:00,300
And when we start to stereotype and want to use social media to cancel people and we

738
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:05,020
don't welcome people to say what's on their mind, that's not a good thing.

739
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:07,940
You know, I will tell you an interesting thing that's happened to me as a release to the

740
00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:10,380
generational issue of longevity.

741
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:14,420
Do you want to know the most interesting question I received from young people after they meet

742
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:19,620
me at the swimming pool and they say, I've heard about you or you really look XYZ good

743
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:20,620
whatever.

744
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:22,740
You know what the number one second question is?

745
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:23,740
Yeah.

746
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:25,380
Would you talk to my parents?

747
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:28,020
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

748
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:30,900
There is a lot of pain in young people.

749
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:31,900
Yeah.

750
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:35,940
Because they see the wisdom and they see the love and the affection and the opportunity

751
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:37,660
to be with their parents.

752
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:38,660
Yeah.

753
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:45,860
In some cases, being close to their end because of life choices that they've made, one drink

754
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:51,260
turns into two and 20 pounds turns into 50 and all of a sudden they're unable to do things

755
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:52,260
they used to do.

756
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:54,500
And that's okay, honey, you go and do it by yourself.

757
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:59,260
And I probably will put a seminar series together where I will cause young people to feel

758
00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:04,220
like they can invite their parents to a roundtable.

759
00:50:04,220 --> 00:50:08,620
Get a lot of people to room that says, mom and dad, it's okay if you don't want to

760
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:12,860
but if you do want to, you got a lot more years in front of you.

761
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:13,860
Yeah.

762
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:19,740
I would venture to guess that most people have a road map that is traditionally designed

763
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:26,500
which you described earlier in our conversation about that linear end-win-reviewed tire than we

764
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:31,180
know that we've got 10, 15 years left and we're going to be gone.

765
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:35,700
And I think most people prepare their minds that way and they start living their lives

766
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:41,580
that way and it's a prophecy that is easily fulfilled.

767
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:42,580
Absolutely.

768
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:46,020
If you think about when you're driving on the freeway, you've probably had that experience

769
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:50,020
where you're paying attention to your map, you're paying attention and then you kind of

770
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:54,260
get into a zone thinking about where you're going or something else and all of a sudden

771
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:59,980
you see the exit and you're supposed to be two lanes over to take the exit, right?

772
00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:05,020
And you see it coming up on you and you realize you're going to miss the exit and there's

773
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:09,980
that old adage you miss, 100% of the shots you don't take.

774
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:14,780
You miss 100% of the exits you don't see.

775
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:21,300
What I think is the humor is part about this is that our society that quote unquote cares

776
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:24,660
about us has made some of the choices invisible.

777
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:27,100
That's the only thing I seek to do.

778
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,900
I don't want to change anybody's behavior.

779
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:35,580
I just want them to see the exit or the on ramp that's available to them with enough time

780
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:40,860
to decide if it's relevant.

781
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:48,180
What is the role of as we progress with AI?

782
00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:53,220
What do you see the role of AI playing in our longevity?

783
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:58,300
Well, and we'll conclude with that because there's so much more that we can talk about

784
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,860
and it's very inspiring to have this conversation with you.

785
00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:03,860
Thank you.

786
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:10,260
Let's assume a benevolent AI because the reality is is that I come from the world where

787
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:15,700
not everything by definition is as it seems and being an architect and creator of a lot

788
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:20,060
of technology over the course of my life, I would say that we've created a system which

789
00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:22,900
is too profit-based.

790
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:29,220
So let's just agree that in a world where profit wasn't the principal driver for how AI

791
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:32,740
was going to be used, this is my answer.

792
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:38,540
In theory, AI at the very level of human body would allow us to understand the human body

793
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:40,980
much faster than science.

794
00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:45,500
We have limits in terms of what kinds of experiments we can perform on people.

795
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:48,860
We have limits in terms of what kinds of drugs we can create.

796
00:52:48,860 --> 00:52:52,780
We have limits in terms of all the things that science currently knows how to do because

797
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:57,500
it's so expensive and so dangerous to try to come up with new ways of doing things.

798
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:00,940
AI is wonderful as simulating.

799
00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:02,580
So it's possible as an example.

800
00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:06,260
And I was at a very wonderful place called the Terrasaki Institute.

801
00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:10,740
It's one of the most amazing places that us do with organ regeneration and I don't know

802
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:15,340
if a lot of people understand, but there's only about 43,000 organ transplants that occur

803
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:16,540
every year in the United States.

804
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,980
It's not like 5 million.

805
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:19,980
Yeah.

806
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,380
And we need a lot more.

807
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:27,460
We actually need to create synthetic organs and we need to create ways to keep transplanted

808
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:33,620
organs alive longer because typically five years or six years or seven and then the transplant

809
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:35,420
goes south.

810
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:40,300
But anyway, I'm in this place and they have this machine and he says, you know, there's 10,000

811
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:41,780
people in that black box.

812
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:43,540
It's about eight foot by eight foot by eight foot.

813
00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:46,420
And I went 10,000 people in the black box.

814
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:47,820
It's eight foot on the side.

815
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:48,820
He said, yeah.

816
00:53:48,820 --> 00:53:49,820
I said, what do you mean?

817
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:55,860
He says, well, there's a biological structural called an organoid.

818
00:53:55,860 --> 00:54:01,140
And the organoid, each of them is unique and different and we can actually do testing using

819
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:07,660
AI in the organoids to either give them all a disease or a virus or give them all a drug.

820
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:11,500
And we can do in a very short period of time what it would take, well, we'd have to have

821
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:16,580
10,000 people, real human beings to do to find out if they all got sick from this one

822
00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:23,700
virus or if this one medicine was had an implication for 50% of them that wasn't good.

823
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:30,540
So the answer is on the biological side of things, AI is going to rapidly expand, increase

824
00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:35,060
and improve the quality even to the point in time of creating drugs.

825
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:40,060
We didn't think personally to create because AI is getting into a place now where we could

826
00:54:40,060 --> 00:54:45,500
say, yeah, maybe we needed to maybe we need a drug to deal with this hateful climate.

827
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:54,060
Okay, so that's on the on the side of the actual science and medicine, on the side of behavior.

828
00:54:54,060 --> 00:55:01,900
Let me just tell you, if everybody was looking for a magical pill, the pill is disciplined.

829
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,060
It's a bitter pill.

830
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:11,540
What I've learned to do and it's not my nature is not procrastinate and be disciplined.

831
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:16,100
If somebody wants to follow me, they are probably already smarter than AI.

832
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:22,820
They probably got a lot of advantages, but my ace in the hole might be that I am much

833
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:25,580
less for procrastinator and much more disciplined.

834
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:30,980
And AI has a way of potentially being in our hand and you're starting to see this now in

835
00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:34,500
the latest models of these phones.

836
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,140
You're going to have your own AI.

837
00:55:36,140 --> 00:55:39,820
Again in the world where it's beneficial.

838
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:40,980
Hi.

839
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:42,340
What do you think I should do today?

840
00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:45,260
I think you should get out of bed now because you told me you're gonna.

841
00:55:45,260 --> 00:55:46,820
Oh, can I have this?

842
00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:50,260
No, you can't because we already agreed you weren't going to eat that.

843
00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:51,900
But here's something better.

844
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:55,140
And if you turn right, you'll find that there's a store that has it.

845
00:55:55,140 --> 00:55:56,140
Oh, great.

846
00:55:56,140 --> 00:56:03,020
So my point is a lot of the left and right turns associated with how do you do longevity

847
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:06,180
are going to be provided by a personal AI.

848
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:12,500
And AI is going to basically be a benefactor to us and it's going to help us supplant our

849
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:18,260
discipline and our potential procrastination and do better.

850
00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:22,220
So those are probably two good examples of where AI shows up.

851
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:25,260
There's others of course, but how far do we have?

852
00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:28,820
How far do we, are we going to have to wait people?

853
00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:30,060
I'm going to use now.

854
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:31,060
Yeah.

855
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:33,620
I have a Samsung smart ring and a Samsung phone.

856
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:36,620
If you're an Apple person, you get an Apple phone and an order ring.

857
00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:39,900
I know I probably shouldn't state brands, but the whole point is to create value for your

858
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:40,900
listeners.

859
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:41,900
Right.

860
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:42,900
What's the ring?

861
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:43,900
I've never heard of the ring.

862
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:44,900
I've never heard of the ring.

863
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:45,900
I've never heard of the ring.

864
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:46,900
I've never heard of the ring.

865
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:47,900
I've never heard of the ring.

866
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:48,900
I've never heard of the ring.

867
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:49,900
I've never heard of the ring.

868
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:50,900
I've never heard of the ring.

869
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:51,900
I've never heard of the ring.

870
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:52,900
I've never heard of the ring.

871
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:53,900
I've never heard of the ring.

872
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:54,900
I've never heard of the ring.

873
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:55,900
I've never heard of the ring.

874
00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:56,900
I've never heard of the ring.

875
00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:57,900
I've never heard of the ring.

876
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:58,900
I've never heard of the ring.

877
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:04,700
And the next one, when you wake up, it goes, your energy score is this, your rest score is

878
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:08,180
this, your, this is symptomatic.

879
00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:09,500
This you did great on.

880
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,260
Why don't you try this?

881
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:12,260
That's now.

882
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:13,260
Yeah.

883
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:19,620
When, when, when, when you see the results of, let's say, sleep patterns, okay?

884
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:23,340
So, and I've not heard of the ring, by the way.

885
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:26,860
So that is like the watch, but only on your finger.

886
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:29,020
It's measuring, what's it measuring?

887
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:34,820
And then, but I wanted to get back to, you know, getting this data, especially during sleep,

888
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:43,260
because sleep is so important to our longevity and to our, our health during the day.

889
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:47,940
I mean, I probably more, probably more consequential than any other thing, including food.

890
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:48,940
Yeah.

891
00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:50,580
You screw up sleep.

892
00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:52,260
Everything is simply abandoned.

893
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:53,620
So how do you learn from that?

894
00:57:53,620 --> 00:57:59,500
I mean, what, what, what do you take away to get into a better rhythm of sleep tomorrow

895
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:00,500
night?

896
00:58:00,500 --> 00:58:06,420
Well, let me tell you, first of all, I've been also almost always blessed with better sleep

897
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:08,700
and average because of something I did when I was 14.

898
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:11,460
When I was 14, I used to have nine terrors.

899
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:16,020
I would wake up three miles beneath the ocean and I would have to swim to the top really

900
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:17,820
fast to not drown.

901
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:20,380
It was not a fun way to wake up.

902
00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:23,020
And I learned something that was actually very helpful to me.

903
00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:28,540
And it was to regard my life as ending every night when I put my head on the pillow.

904
00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:31,660
So I believe that people worry too much at night.

905
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:33,540
They could, they put tomorrow into today.

906
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:34,540
Yeah.

907
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:39,100
If people need to pick a time on their calendar, the, the 15 minutes that today I'm going to

908
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:42,300
worry about everything, then they can say I worried and be done with it.

909
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:47,060
But for me, the first thing that I did that not everybody would have accomplished yet is

910
00:58:47,060 --> 00:58:48,820
I don't worry when I go to bed.

911
00:58:48,820 --> 00:58:54,140
I put my head on the pillow and it's my time to sleep.

912
00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:56,940
But did I always go to sleep at the same approximate time?

913
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:57,940
No.

914
00:58:57,940 --> 00:59:01,540
Did I sometimes use my phone right up to the last minute and get a lot of light in my eyes

915
00:59:01,540 --> 00:59:03,380
that would change my circadian rhythm?

916
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:04,380
Yup.

917
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:09,500
Did I sometimes be in a place where I don't have my room quiet and completely appropriate

918
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:10,500
for sleep?

919
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:11,500
Yeah.

920
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:15,420
I learned all those things are called sleep hygiene.

921
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:22,140
And each person with their physiology, the pillow, the way they, for instance, I didn't

922
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:26,260
know, but if you sleep on one side of your body versus the other side of your body, it

923
00:59:26,260 --> 00:59:30,700
actually affects your digestion and your heart.

924
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:35,060
And that, that's because your heart is on one side of your body than the other.

925
00:59:35,060 --> 00:59:36,060
Yeah.

926
00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:37,060
Yeah.

927
00:59:37,060 --> 00:59:43,460
And if you're back sleeper, like for instance, my sleep thing tells me if I snore and the

928
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:47,340
end result is in, I've had it for about two months now.

929
00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:49,460
Oh my goodness.

930
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:54,740
I sleep so much better because my hygiene is better.

931
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:56,060
And it compliments me.

932
00:59:56,060 --> 00:59:57,580
Good job, Mark.

933
00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:59,900
It also kicks me in the butt every once in a while.

934
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:00,900
Yeah.

935
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:02,980
You didn't do good at that at all.

936
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:09,780
So there's some value to having that alter ego, the AI over your shoulder.

937
01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:12,420
But it definitely makes a big difference.

938
01:00:12,420 --> 01:00:17,100
What are some of the resources that you've gone to to learn about your sleep hygiene?

939
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,980
Can you share some of those with us?

940
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:30,020
Well, I guess I probably read 10 different people, humor, man, etia, Mark, I think is last

941
01:00:30,020 --> 01:00:31,020
inch, Wyland.

942
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:34,100
I read everybody on sleep because it's the number one thing.

943
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:37,740
And what I would also tell you is, you know, you basically have to do a little bit of

944
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:39,820
philosophy too.

945
01:00:39,820 --> 01:00:44,340
For me, that concept of finishing your life when you put your head on the pillow, it's a subset

946
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:50,460
of something called the big rocks, big rocks, say, take a jar, you want to fill it up to

947
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:53,740
the maximum extent, you put the big rocks in first.

948
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:56,980
If you fill it all with water, there's no room for the big rocks.

949
01:00:56,980 --> 01:01:00,980
If you fill it all up with sand, there's no room for, you know, smaller rocks.

950
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:05,900
So you put the biggest rocks in, smaller rocks, smaller rocks, sand.

951
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:09,980
And even when it appears to be completely full, you can still put water in.

952
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:14,420
If you want your life to be as full as possible, do the big things first.

953
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:19,700
You have to say you're sorry to somebody, say sorry today.

954
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:25,080
If you have to get your exercise in, get your exercise in before today ends, put the most

955
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,140
important stuff first.

956
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:30,500
So when you sleep, there's less to worry about.

957
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:35,540
And then on the subject of hygiene in general, man, all you have to do is put in sleep hygiene

958
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:41,060
or smart ring or sleep better and you're going to get a jillion different responses.

959
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:45,220
And most of them are going to be good, but they're going to tell you stuff you don't like.

960
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:47,860
See that's back to the issue of discipline.

961
01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:52,300
I have people tell me, I know you're going to tell me to stop drinking and I'm going to say,

962
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:53,820
no, I'm not.

963
01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:58,340
I still enjoy a very occasional drink.

964
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:07,340
The amount of alcohol I consume is far less because I want it far less.

965
01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:17,100
When someone says, but I like to stay up and watch my show, I say, do you have a counterbalance

966
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:22,740
that you want to actually live longer and actually be happier, which is at least as great

967
01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:24,700
as you wanting to watch your show?

968
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:28,860
If the answer is no, I have no answer for them.

969
01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:34,940
The whole issue of longevity, esoterically, isn't about just how many years it's what would

970
01:02:34,940 --> 01:02:37,540
you do with them.

971
01:02:37,540 --> 01:02:42,580
We have a platform called Max years and it's under development and the whole concept is

972
01:02:42,580 --> 01:02:49,220
to get people away to do longevity, not what to do.

973
01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:53,460
Some people are going to get to longevity very differently than others, but everyone has

974
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:59,340
to have discipline, not procrastinate and actually decide what they'll give up because

975
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:02,700
they want to give it up, not because someone's telling them.

976
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:03,700
Not compelled.

977
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:05,500
It never lasts.

978
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:06,500
Doesn't.

979
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:07,500
Yeah.

980
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,860
All life changes driven by the fact that we are for all intents and purposes self-serving

981
01:03:11,860 --> 01:03:13,620
creatures.

982
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:17,540
We make the best decisions for ourselves and out of respect.

983
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:19,180
I'm guessing you have children.

984
01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:20,180
I do.

985
01:03:20,180 --> 01:03:24,860
At the point is you have to respect the individual's ability to decide for themselves.

986
01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:28,780
You want to inform them, of course, and keep them from making the really tragic mistakes,

987
01:03:28,780 --> 01:03:31,420
but nothing teaches like pain.

988
01:03:31,420 --> 01:03:32,420
Yeah.

989
01:03:32,420 --> 01:03:35,660
Yeah.

990
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:45,900
When I got an 88 sleep score and my rest score was 81 and then I went and had a workout,

991
01:03:45,900 --> 01:03:51,980
I was like a different guy showed up in the gym and I didn't correlate the first two until

992
01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:59,820
I was done with my workout and I wanted, oh, that's what they're talking about.

993
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:04,660
But if you didn't actually have the data, what would you do to produce another great workout

994
01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:08,380
day?

995
01:04:08,380 --> 01:04:14,220
So I used those tools to backfill the fact that I got to get good sleep and when my behavior

996
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:22,540
is not so hot, like I try and eat my last meal, the last food goes in my mouth around 6 o'clock.

997
01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:24,780
And I typically go to bed around 9.

998
01:04:24,780 --> 01:04:28,620
It's typically an uncomfortable window for me and I have to protect myself for my natural

999
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:30,460
snacky nature.

1000
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:35,300
Even if I'm eating something snacky good, right?

1001
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:40,500
Because the last three hours means I go to bed with an empty tummy, which means none of

1002
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:45,060
my biology is actually being using energy while I'm sleeping to digest stuff.

1003
01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:46,060
Yeah.

1004
01:04:46,060 --> 01:04:50,620
And I have to get to the point time where I get the right amount of fluid in my body, not

1005
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:54,660
too much, so I don't want to wake up and pee.

1006
01:04:54,660 --> 01:05:01,580
I am very seldom ever happens, but it did happen more when I would drink a whole bunch

1007
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:05,460
of water 30 minutes before I go to bed.

1008
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:09,300
So when's the last time you drink water typically?

1009
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:13,540
Well, I'll drink a little bit of water right before bed, but it's just a swallower too.

1010
01:05:13,540 --> 01:05:14,540
Yeah.

1011
01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:15,540
Does that make sense?

1012
01:05:15,540 --> 01:05:19,100
And I think I'm part of that might actually be an emotional holdover.

1013
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:24,740
I like the idea of my throat is not dry or parched, but from the standpoint of any quantity,

1014
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:25,740
a couple hours.

1015
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:26,740
Yeah.

1016
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:32,580
Most of the water or fluids that you put into your body are done during the day.

1017
01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:36,780
No, I drink all the time, but virtually not at all.

1018
01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:41,900
I guess that food stops about three hours before I go to bed and liquids stop about two

1019
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:42,900
hours.

1020
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:43,900
Yeah.

1021
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:45,500
And when I wake up, I'm plenty thirsty.

1022
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:46,500
Does that make sense?

1023
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:47,500
Yeah.

1024
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:52,740
But my sleep is not being interrupted by things that I could change.

1025
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:58,780
Having a dark room, important, having a cool room important.

1026
01:05:58,780 --> 01:06:05,420
So anyway, those are all details, but my point is deciding that sleep comes first and

1027
01:06:05,420 --> 01:06:07,820
then using it as a leper.

1028
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:12,380
If you don't have stress, peace says you've slept well, it's easier to change your orientation

1029
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:13,460
to food.

1030
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:17,340
If you've slept well in your orientation to food changes, it's easier to get your butt

1031
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:18,420
to the gym.

1032
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:22,380
If you get your butt to the gym and all of a sudden you lose a size, it's easier to go close

1033
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:24,740
stopping and feel better about yourself.

1034
01:06:24,740 --> 01:06:25,740
Does that make sense?

1035
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:26,740
Yeah, absolutely.

1036
01:06:26,740 --> 01:06:27,740
I got a non-surgical facelift.

1037
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:31,740
Now I think it will say, oh, don't tell people that's the case.

1038
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:38,160
No, I want to tell them because it's something that was a procedure that was a day-long

1039
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,180
procedure, no knives, no scalples.

1040
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:47,420
But there's new technology that lets you then basically shrink your skin to fit your face.

1041
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:49,420
That's the nice lady who did my procedure.

1042
01:06:49,420 --> 01:06:52,100
She says, "Mark, we're going to shrink your skin to fit your face.

1043
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:53,100
I'm going...

1044
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:55,100
That sounds good."

1045
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:56,100
Yeah.

1046
01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:57,100
Right?

1047
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:01,180
You eliminate the Sherpa doggy effect and carry out all the age spots on the whole

1048
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:06,140
nine yards and it was super inexpensive by virtue of every measure.

1049
01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:13,300
And I'm saying to myself, does how you feel you look change how you interact with other

1050
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:14,300
people?

1051
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:15,300
Yes.

1052
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:21,060
Does how you walk confidently change how you interact with other people?

1053
01:07:21,060 --> 01:07:22,060
Yes.

1054
01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:28,940
Does how you sit in your share, posture erect, change how your digestive system works?

1055
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:35,980
So no small part of my journey, Mark, has been to truly understand the myriad of things,

1056
01:07:35,980 --> 01:07:44,140
the small little adjustments that profoundly contribute to the global issue of living longer.

1057
01:07:44,140 --> 01:07:45,140
Yeah.

1058
01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:50,540
Well, maybe this is a really good place for us to end great conversation.

1059
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:53,540
We're just hitting the tip of the iceberg here.

1060
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:54,900
Yeah, there's more to talk about.

1061
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:56,220
Oh, there's so much more.

1062
01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:57,380
One real quick question though.

1063
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:59,740
We did exactly answer.

1064
01:07:59,740 --> 01:08:06,260
You said how, let me just make sure to address that very specific question.

1065
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:07,260
YB8.

1066
01:08:07,260 --> 01:08:08,260
YB8.

1067
01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:09,260
YB8.

1068
01:08:09,260 --> 01:08:10,740
The how is this?

1069
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:16,700
If you want to fly to Zurich, I don't know where you live exactly, but my bet is you have

1070
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:22,500
to go from where you're sitting to an international airport.

1071
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:27,260
And when you get to the international airport and if you have a seat and you actually are

1072
01:08:27,260 --> 01:08:31,380
ready and you're there at the right time, you'll get to Zurich.

1073
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:35,380
But if those things aren't true, you're not going to Zurich.

1074
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:38,660
And it's interesting that I want you to think about, and perhaps we could do another talk

1075
01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:40,060
on this some point time.

1076
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:47,380
I believe that living to 150 is a connecting flight from 100.

1077
01:08:47,380 --> 01:08:55,180
When I get to 100, I want to be one of the people ready for what I believe is the new wave

1078
01:08:55,180 --> 01:08:57,240
of science.

1079
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:03,200
So that when the many companies that can repair an E, improve the cardiovascular system, improve

1080
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:09,760
the cadence and the volume of my lungs, already they're going to say, let's pick him.

1081
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,380
He gets to get on the flight.

1082
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:19,720
So instead of having to age to 150, the same way I'm aging from 69 to 100, I believe in

1083
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:25,200
approximately 30 years, a profound change in options is going to be there, but it's not

1084
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:30,440
going to be there for most people that are nearing 100 because you're not going to optimize

1085
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:34,180
themselves from now till then.

1086
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:38,640
So that's the how, the how is getting to the connecting flight and making sure that I

1087
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,620
have the money, the time, the connections, the relationship and the plan.

1088
01:09:42,620 --> 01:09:46,120
So I can say, okay, I'm going to 150.

1089
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,620
Is that helpful?

1090
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:48,620
Absolutely.

1091
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:54,600
And if there's others that are listening that want to jump on board with your journey,

1092
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,040
how would they best get in touch with you?

1093
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,040
Mark 150.com.

1094
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,800
That's Mark with a K, M-A-R-K, 150.com.

1095
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,600
Please go sign up.

1096
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,160
We're going to it's the site is almost finished.

1097
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,320
But you know, you have to basically kind of just keep doing things.

1098
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:15,320
And I would love to talk to every single person with the goal of sharing with them.

1099
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,320
It's a choice.

1100
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,240
If this is what's good for you, do it.

1101
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:21,560
That's a great place to stop.

1102
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,560
And Mark, thank you so much for being on aging today.

1103
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,880
And we'll have you back again because like I said, we've only touched the surface.

1104
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,880
We've only touched the tip of the iceberg.

1105
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,520
There's so much more that we can discuss because I think that, you know, one of my goals

1106
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:41,400
is to with aging today is to educate people on the aging process.

1107
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,760
And aging is not a bad thing.

1108
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,200
It just doesn't have to be that way.

1109
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,440
And it's going to take a mindset change.

1110
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,080
And you change the way you look at aging, aging will change.

1111
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,720
But it comes from within me.

1112
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,720
It's got start here.

1113
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,040
Thank you for the good work you do.

1114
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,240
This is very valuable and I truly appreciate being on your podcast.

1115
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,240
All right.

1116
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:07,000
This is Mark Turnbull, your host and I want to thank all of you for tuning in to aging today.

1117
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:15,400
We are the podcast where together we're exploring the many ways to options to aging on your

1118
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:16,400
terms.

1119
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:21,280
And it's every Monday when we release a new conversation on aging today to your favorite

1120
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,280
podcast channel.

1121
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,160
And remember this, we're all in the process of aging.

1122
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,760
And as we age, we really are better together.

1123
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,040
So stay young at heart.

1124
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:35,600
You make me feel so young.

1125
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:43,220
You make me feel like spring is from and every time I see your face, I'm such a happy

1126
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:48,080
individual, the moment that she's been.

1127
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,200
I want to go play hide and see.

1128
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:56,800
I want to go and bounce the moon just like a toy balloon.

1129
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,760
Well, you and I.

1130
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,640
I'll just like a bullet.

1131
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,600
Running across the metal.

1132
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,600
Pick and I'll lots of forget me.

1133
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,160
Not so you made me feel so young.

1134
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,680
You made me feel there are songs to be sung.

1135
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:20,120
There will still be run and wonderful things to be fun.

1136
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,080
And when I'm old and grey.

1137
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:28,480
You've been listening to aging today where together we explore the options to aging on

1138
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:29,480
your terms.

1139
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:35,520
Join Mark and his guest next week for another lively discussion on proactively aging on your

1140
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,000
terms, connecting you to the professional advice of his special guests with the goal of

1141
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,320
creating better days throughout the aging process.

1142
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,800
Your host has been Mark Turnbull.

1143
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,200
Join Mark and his guest every week on aging today, your podcast to exploring your options

1144
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,160
for aging on your terms.

1145
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,220
you when I open my head,

1146
01:12:56,220 --> 01:13:01,520
you make me feel the way i feel today cause

1147
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,340
you make me feel so,

1148
01:13:04,340 --> 01:13:07,720
you make me feel so,

1149
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,360
you make me feel so young,

1150
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,240
so young,

1151
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,200
you make me feel so young,

1152
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,480
you make me feel so young.

1153
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:24,060
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